mrjohneel said:As a woodworker (and pellet stove guy) all I see is lumber. Big, wide cherry boards could sell for big bucks, no? You firewood guys ever mill the trees you cut? Not critical, just curious.
BigV said:mrjohneel said:As a woodworker (and pellet stove guy) all I see is lumber. Big, wide cherry boards could sell for big bucks, no? You firewood guys ever mill the trees you cut? Not critical, just curious.
Most lumber yards will not touch back yard trees due to foreign objects embedded in the trees that could damage their saws.
I had a guy come by a few years back and offer me $25 for each cherry tree I had. He also offered me $50 each for the 12 black walnut trees I have. I told him I would burn it before letting him have it for that price.
Unfortunately these cherry trees had live way beyond their healthy status and it was only a matter of time (short time) before they came down on their own. I would rather take them down on my terms instead of waiting on them.
BigV said:Felled 3 big cheery trees in my backyard today.
Thanks zap.zapny said:BigV said:Felled 3 big cheery trees in my backyard today.
Looks like some nice Cherry BigV. Does that train still run by?
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Wow, I couldn't even guess!zapny said:Perfect timing. I might have missed it but how much wood do you think you'll get out of the Cherry trees.
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No kidding! I thought the last two I got were pretty good-sized at 18"...Backwoods Savage said:Those cherry trees make ours look like babies.
mrjohneel said:As a woodworker (and pellet stove guy) all I see is lumber. Big, wide cherry boards could sell for big bucks, no? You firewood guys ever mill the trees you cut? Not critical, just curious.
ohlongarm said:In Northeast Ohio the lumber dealers won't give you squat for anything. I was offered $600 for 12 walnut trees that are over 30 inches at base one 4 feet,I'll burn it before I get ripped.Another clown wants to give $6000.00 for 100 trees cherry,ash,walnut some oak,once again I'll burn it before they'll buy it. MY opinion only.
I hear-tell rumors of Chinese-owned barge/ships off of our East Coast, in international waters, that are buying our trees, milling them on the barge, and making huge profits selling them to who-knows-where. Not sure if that is true, but if it is, IT PISSES ME OFF! I have cut many, many large hardwood trees down (some of them fantastic veneer grade wood) and for all the more people want to give me for them to use as lumber, forget it! I will do a couple here and there with my buddies mill, but that will be wood for us to sell or use ourselves. I would rather do that or use it for cordwood than to practically give it away and be suckered into someone else making big money on them. Just my two cents.......clemsonfor said:ohlongarm said:In Northeast Ohio the lumber dealers won't give you squat for anything. I was offered $600 for 12 walnut trees that are over 30 inches at base one 4 feet,I'll burn it before I get ripped.Another clown wants to give $6000.00 for 100 trees cherry,ash,walnut some oak,once again I'll burn it before they'll buy it. MY opinion only.
This is where a Forester comes in. I am a forester. Its kind of like a real estate agent. You can sell your house on your own but an agent knows where to market your house to maximize your $$. As a forester i know who to call and what your wood is worth and can advise you to take or leave anything. You can pay me on commission or pay for my time i bill you.
Ok im not trying to sell my self to you, im not in your area and i work for a Government agency anyway. Im pointing out things to you and others on this board who may or may not know bits about the industry. That said this guy may have been trying to pull one on you, buyers will do that when they feel someone may not know exactly what you have. Some you think give a fair price are still mostlikely holding a bit extra over their normal commission and costs. And if no one realized the market has tanked!! We have lost 50% of our stumpage prices with no sight of them coming back. Mills have closed are record numbers meaning mills now are farther away than they ever have been for solid wood products. Fuel is also higher than it ever has been, and so with that there is an economy of scale. Folks always ask me what their yard full of huge trees are worth, they give me a avg size and number and i always say nothing or you have to give them away or a few hundred $$ (we have mostly pine here). The reason is that any decent logger needs to be moving wood to make money, not moving equiptment. A move can cost upwards of $3K or more. This depends on the move distance and the pieces of equiptment he has to move. Its not just fuel and saleries here to figure in but lost loads that he looses to come to your place for 50 trees and then leaving to go up the road 50 miles. Thats why most loggers around here wont look at less than 10 acres or less than 40 loads (a weeks worth of work), that said there are guys who are straight shooters who own their own equipment (no payments) and can afford to move less wood a week and like small tracts. They also cant pay as much cause the mills dont pay them as much, its a biased system!
Scotty Overkill said:I hear-tell rumors of Chinese-owned barge/ships off of our East Coast, in international waters, that are buying our trees, milling them on the barge, and making huge profits selling them to who-knows-where. Not sure if that is true, but if it is, IT PISSES ME OFF! I have cut many, many large hardwood trees down (some of them fantastic veneer grade wood) and for all the more people want to give me for them to use as lumber, forget it! I will do a couple here and there with my buddies mill, but that will be wood for us to sell or use ourselves. I would rather do that or use it for cordwood than to practically give it away and be suckered into someone else making big money on them. Just my two cents.......clemsonfor said:ohlongarm said:In Northeast Ohio the lumber dealers won't give you squat for anything. I was offered $600 for 12 walnut trees that are over 30 inches at base one 4 feet,I'll burn it before I get ripped.Another clown wants to give $6000.00 for 100 trees cherry,ash,walnut some oak,once again I'll burn it before they'll buy it. MY opinion only.
This is where a Forester comes in. I am a forester. Its kind of like a real estate agent. You can sell your house on your own but an agent knows where to market your house to maximize your $$. As a forester i know who to call and what your wood is worth and can advise you to take or leave anything. You can pay me on commission or pay for my time i bill you.
Ok im not trying to sell my self to you, im not in your area and i work for a Government agency anyway. Im pointing out things to you and others on this board who may or may not know bits about the industry. That said this guy may have been trying to pull one on you, buyers will do that when they feel someone may not know exactly what you have. Some you think give a fair price are still mostlikely holding a bit extra over their normal commission and costs. And if no one realized the market has tanked!! We have lost 50% of our stumpage prices with no sight of them coming back. Mills have closed are record numbers meaning mills now are farther away than they ever have been for solid wood products. Fuel is also higher than it ever has been, and so with that there is an economy of scale. Folks always ask me what their yard full of huge trees are worth, they give me a avg size and number and i always say nothing or you have to give them away or a few hundred $$ (we have mostly pine here). The reason is that any decent logger needs to be moving wood to make money, not moving equiptment. A move can cost upwards of $3K or more. This depends on the move distance and the pieces of equiptment he has to move. Its not just fuel and saleries here to figure in but lost loads that he looses to come to your place for 50 trees and then leaving to go up the road 50 miles. Thats why most loggers around here wont look at less than 10 acres or less than 40 loads (a weeks worth of work), that said there are guys who are straight shooters who own their own equipment (no payments) and can afford to move less wood a week and like small tracts. They also cant pay as much cause the mills dont pay them as much, its a biased system!
Scotty Overkill said:Well Clem, unless I get what I consider the value of the log is (including the nightmare that some of them present cutting it down, moving it, and getting it on a trailer, etc) I will keep it fer firewood, that's just the way it is.......it means more to me as firewood, in most cases, than the couple hundred bucks that it MAY earn me for the nightmare of dealing with it.