That is true in Missouri. We have something called an Administrative Search Warrant on the books, but it has never been used as far as I know. City judge is a volunteer(write in) and does not mess with warrants. They don't go into peoples homes unless they obtain a criminal warrant from circuit.hemlock said:I'm not sure how it works down there, but up here a warrant is required to enter your property. They might ask to come in, but you can nicely say "come back with an officer and a warrant and I'd be happy to let you in - have great day".
My Oslo heats my home said:Only a non-woodburner would complain about the smell of smoke. Along with my odd 'smelling fresh green splits' behavior, I love the small of woodstove smoke.
fredarm said:"but like the inspector saidnce you put the heat shield they can’t say anything,what if you had a fireplace?they can’t do nothing.and he is a wood burner guy,so he knows."
Sounds like the inspector is trying to be reasonable. He's caught between a complaining neighbor and an uninspected install. It seems like he just wants it installed to code and then he'll leave you alone (assuming you don't blanket the neighborhood in smoke, which it sounds like you don't).
My Oslo heats my home said:allhandsworking said:Why not tell inspector that you don't have a wood stove and get off your property! Just burn responsibly so there is no smoke! My fear is what else is the inspector going to find that he can give you a ticket or tax! These people have balls thinking that he can come in your home and snoop around! Gov. Is looking to raise funds so they can spend it more wisely then you!
Not to put a wrench in the works here but word of mouth travels fast when it comes to official business items like this. If he was to step on the inspectors toes like that he would have more than just the neighbors pissed at him. Better to be cooperative than to make trouble, IMHO.
BrowningBAR said:glenlloyd said:Most metropolitan areas run complaint based systems for everything, so it's all reactionary. I've had major complaints and arguments with the city before and it's usually just an exercise in futility. My crowning achievement was back in 2001 when I compiled four huge volumes of all the 'violations' that existed in my neighborhood that the city turned a blind eye to. This came after they complained about some pieces of wood in my yard that were salvaged from a victorian house that was torn down a few blocks away. The city ended up seizing the brackets salvaged from the house in a 'cleaning' operation to correct what they classified as a 'public nuisance.' Following that cleaning I photographed and created the four volumes of violations that they seemed to be able to ignore. It kept the city inspectors busy for a long time but it solved a lot of neighborhood issues and finally got rid of that mattress that had been laying in the alley north of me for six months that they seemed to ignore!
At any rate, I would be surprised if your city has forbidden wood burning, and the one thing you can tell your neighbors is that the smoke and smell would be a lot worse if you were using an old antiquated fireplace like the one I have.
Fortunately I have decent neighbors who would never complain about the smell, after all, I never complain about their overgrown yard!
for what it's worth...
steve
I can't live like that. Once I get angry over something I tend to focus a lot of time on it. I don't want to associate being home with being angry. One of the main reasons I avoided home owner associations. I keep my property looking good, but all it takes is one clownish neighbor with too much time on his hands...
shawneyboy said:fredarm said:"but like the inspector saidnce you put the heat shield they can’t say anything,what if you had a fireplace?they can’t do nothing.and he is a wood burner guy,so he knows."
Sounds like the inspector is trying to be reasonable. He's caught between a complaining neighbor and an uninspected install. It seems like he just wants it installed to code and then he'll leave you alone (assuming you don't blanket the neighborhood in smoke, which it sounds like you don't).
I think that nails it on the head. The inspector is stuck, the neighbor is a douche. IMHO
Shawn
Biff_CT2 said:shawneyboy said:fredarm said:"but like the inspector saidnce you put the heat shield they can’t say anything,what if you had a fireplace?they can’t do nothing.and he is a wood burner guy,so he knows."
Sounds like the inspector is trying to be reasonable. He's caught between a complaining neighbor and an uninspected install. It seems like he just wants it installed to code and then he'll leave you alone (assuming you don't blanket the neighborhood in smoke, which it sounds like you don't).
I think that nails it on the head. The inspector is stuck, the neighbor is a douche. IMHO
Shawn
I think your conclusion is premature.
There are always two sides to the story, and the truth usually lies between.
It's rare for somebody to wake up one day and decide to start screwing with the neighbor just because he runs a stove. I'd be inclined to believe that there's a history, and that the incident likely could have been avoided by doing a bit of communicating with the neighbors.
A wood burner creates a nuissance to his neighbors - regardless of how clean you think you run. You can tell yourself (and this forum) all day that your wood is dry, and nothing but steam comes out of your chimney - but that's a load of crap. The closer your neighbors, the greater the nuissance you pose to them. And in denslely populated places like Hartford, where people pay some highest electricity rates in the country in exchange for cleaner air, people have a right to put limits on burning. I'm surprised it's still allowed in a city like Hartford. When you burn, you freeload off something that everyone collectively has paid dearly for - clean air. And you do it solely for your own benefit - which isn't fair. The degradation to local air quality simply isn't acceptable.
It makes little sense to piss off your neighbors in a densely packed area trying to save a few bucks heating your home with wood. If that kind of attitude becomes widespreadwood burning will certainly get regulated into extinction. As it stands burning should be banned in some areas.
BrowningBAR said:Biff_CT2 said:shawneyboy said:fredarm said:"but like the inspector saidnce you put the heat shield they can’t say anything,what if you had a fireplace?they can’t do nothing.and he is a wood burner guy,so he knows."
Sounds like the inspector is trying to be reasonable. He's caught between a complaining neighbor and an uninspected install. It seems like he just wants it installed to code and then he'll leave you alone (assuming you don't blanket the neighborhood in smoke, which it sounds like you don't).
I think that nails it on the head. The inspector is stuck, the neighbor is a douche. IMHO
Shawn
I think your conclusion is premature.
There are always two sides to the story, and the truth usually lies between.
It's rare for somebody to wake up one day and decide to start screwing with the neighbor just because he runs a stove. I'd be inclined to believe that there's a history, and that the incident likely could have been avoided by doing a bit of communicating with the neighbors.
A wood burner creates a nuissance to his neighbors - regardless of how clean you think you run. You can tell yourself (and this forum) all day that your wood is dry, and nothing but steam comes out of your chimney - but that's a load of crap. The closer your neighbors, the greater the nuissance you pose to them. And in denslely populated places like Hartford, where people pay some highest electricity rates in the country in exchange for cleaner air, people have a right to put limits on burning. I'm surprised it's still allowed in a city like Hartford. When you burn, you freeload off something that everyone collectively has paid dearly for - clean air. And you do it solely for your own benefit - which isn't fair. The degradation to local air quality simply isn't acceptable.
It makes little sense to piss off your neighbors in a densely packed area trying to save a few bucks heating your home with wood. If that kind of attitude becomes widespreadwood burning will certainly get regulated into extinction. As it stands burning should be banned in some areas.
I disagree with several areas of this post.
rdust said:Even with an EPA stove you will have smoke at start up and reloads no matter what the wood is like. If the neighbor is smelling/seeing that there isn't much you're going to do. The fun will start when the inspector allows you to burn, the neighbor will probably be complaining all the time.
Moral of the story for people waiting to install a new stove would be to pull the proper permits and have the stove inspected to start with to avoid these types of issues.
CTYank said:'T'aint necessarily so.
If you start the fire "top-down" you'll be hard-pressed to see any smoke. Ever.
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