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Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by BoerBoelAmari, Dec 22, 2012.

  1. BoerBoelAmari

    BoerBoelAmari Member

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    So I have been able to get a hold of ESW on two occasions and each time the tech has been very helpful. I was sent a new door gasket and ash pan gasket which was installed the other day. My stove was purchased in Oct 2012. The stove was made in August 2011. It was purchased new from Lowes.

    I am still having issues with black soot forming on my window. Here is my setup;

    1) Stove adapter to 6" section
    2) 6" section to 45*
    3) 45* to 3'
    4) Horizontal termination (adjustable nozzle duravent pro)

    I know I know, ESW wants >36" of vertical pipe in case of a power outage. My prior vent set up was as follows;

    1) 1 & 2 from above
    2) 45* to 1'
    3) 1' to Clean out Tee
    4) Clean out Tee to 4' vertical rise
    5) 4' vertical rise to 90*
    6) 90* to 2' horizontal
    7) 2' horizontal to termination

    I know this set up sucks, but it was my only option until I had the opportunity to vent straight through my overhang. I did away with this and went to my current setup because when I pulled the plug to see if any draft would keep smoke out of the house it failed and I almost immediately began smelling fumes in the house. Therefore, there was no sense in keeping all those bends and increased EVL if it wasn't going to keep smoke out of my home.

    With that being said my stove is plugged into a UPS which I tested today and was able to keep the stove running for about 4 hours. It transferred to battery with no interruption to the stove.

    Now for my continued issue. Russ from ESW was the last tech I spoke with. Was great on the phone and went through numerous diagnostics. He said that sometimes the stove will reset to the default for the control board which is for a larger stove. My control board was at 2. Which is what it is supposed to be according to him. We reset my three lower buttons to 1-4-1. We then ran some other tests to check for air leaks. Hence the new gasket shipment. We then set my setting back to 1-9-1 which is what the first ESW tech had me set it too.
    So, settings 1 and two seem to be fine. Setting 3 is where my problems begin. The flame on setting three is uncontrollable. It hits the top plate and licks the windows. This then puts the soot on there. The flame becomes yellow and dirty. Russ said at setting three the flame height should be around the height of the downspout for the pellets. This is not the case for me. The auger seems to go about every 5-7 seconds as well.

    Any ideas?

    I'm burning Cubex pellets that I grabbed last weekend.

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  2. imacman

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    Something doesn't seem right there. Don't understand the 1-9-1, especially with the new gaskets installed....that's a LOT of air for a new stove, compared to the factory 1-4-1 setting.

    IMO, I'd send Mike Holton an email and have him go through the settings for the stove with you.

    mholton@englanderstoves.com
  3. BoerBoelAmari

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    I thought the same as well but Russ said the increased settings would actually decrease the size of the flame. Its my understanding that the lower setting effect all heat ranges. Not like some older models that only effected settings 1 and 2.
  4. imacman

    imacman Guest

    What I meant was that having the LBA at 9 is putting it to the limit....there is no more adjustability, plus it would seem to me that way too much air is getting pumped through the stove and out the exhaust.....not much time to extract much heat.

    Mike Holton has told me in the past to NOT go above LBA of 6, or I'm just sending the heat outdoors. I know this is a different stove, but 9 still seems way to high. Hence my suggestion to send Mike an email asking for his input.
  5. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    It is possible that your stove's controller is in the wrong mode and is over feeding on all heat ranges.

    There are a couple of other possibilities as well.

    Please contact Mike Holton at England or start a conversation with him at stoveguy2esw.
  6. BoerBoelAmari

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    I know what ya guys are saying. I was hoping Mike might see my post and chimed in. I'll shoot him a message with my question.

    Smokey, Russ had me go through the control board setting to make sure it wasn't set for a different stove. Its set to #2 which he said was correct for my stove. Because these often sit on a store shelf the control boards can lose their memory and default to their initial settings. This wasn't the case for me according to Russ.
  7. imacman

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    Don't think so. My stove sits unplugged from April until mid-October and starts up right where I left it.
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  9. BoerBoelAmari

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    Just relaying what the tech said. My stove sat for 15 months, as opposed to 6. I contacted Mike and will impatiently await his response. :)
  10. imacman

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    I never said it was impossible that they said that, just going by what I was told too. But every stove is different, so hopefully Mike chimes in and clears it all up.
  11. BoerBoelAmari

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    I bumped it down to 6. Doesn't really matter because its burning like crap anyway. Might as well keep the heat in the house.
  12. BoerBoelAmari

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    Just wanted to insert a picture of my flame height at heat setting 3.

    Bottom buttons are at 1-4-1.

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  13. DexterDay

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    Is the burn pot seated correctly? Is the flame lazy (if its sooty, it probably is)?

    I dont get the 9 on the Air Either. Thats way to high, IMO

    Huge leak somewhere or the controllor my be out to lunch?

    Here is hoping that Mike sees this
  14. BoerBoelAmari

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    Ya. Checked the burn pot. No clue what's going. Keeping my hopes up that Mike knows.
  15. imacman

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    Is that flame what you get AFTER the initial start-up pellets? If that's what it looks like during a "normal" burn (after about 20-25 minutes of burning), then something is wrong....that flame is WAY too high.
  16. BoerBoelAmari

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    That was taken after about 8 hours of burn time.
  17. slvrblkk

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    Yes.....x2.......not to be "Captain Obvious" again but it definitely looks as though too many pellets are being fed into the pot. Does it do this when you have your heat setting on 1 or 2? What pellets are you using? Are they very small?
  18. BoerBoelAmari

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    The flame is much lower when done on setting two, but I'm not getting the heat I need. I'm burning Cubex. Here is a new photo. Heat setting 4.

    You can see how black the glass has gotten. This is less than 24 hours of run time. I believe the issue is with over feeding. My burn pot is about 3/4 full and I emptied it out last night around 1030. The stove was run at heat setting 2 over night. Kept my first level at 70 and my bedroom upstairs at 65. I need it just a bit warmer. Low last night was around 20 degrees.

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  19. BoerBoelAmari

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    Heat setting 2. I gave it some time to burn off whatever it dispensed from heat setting 4. Flame is lower but still crests the top of the fake log set.

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  20. BoerBoelAmari

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    Here's a couple images of the vent setup. And 300 dollars of extra venting.

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  21. BoerBoelAmari

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    Just a little more info. Shut down the stove to clean out the brick of ash that built up in the burn pot over night. I restarted the stove at heat setting 1. I timed the auger stop start time. From the time the auger stopped to when it started again was 6 seconds. The length of time the auger ran was 1 second.

    I will bump the setting up to 4 once my fire restarts. From the sounds of it there really is no difference between heat setting 1 and 4. They both seem to run at the same frequencies and lengths. But I'll get solid figures in a minute or two.
  22. DexterDay

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    The first 20 minutes, the stove is in start up mode. So regardless of heat setting it will do its own thing for the 1st 20-25.

    Take any #'s after that. Allow the stove to take the setting before timing. Watch the actual auger turn. Not just counting the time pellets drop.
  23. BoerBoelAmari

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    My stove has only one auger that drops pellets down a slide. I can't see the actual auger turn because it is covered with pellets. I timed when I could hear the auger actuate.
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    OK just to give you an idea of mine....currently settings are..... 4-4-1......heat 4....... blower at 5......I'll set heat lower and see what the auger timing is......currently auger runs for about 2 seconds and off for about 5

    BTW...My hopper is almost out of pellets so I can see it turn
  25. SmokeyTheBear

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    Too much horizontal run and it looks like it is going down hill to boot (but that may be the picture angle).

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