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  1. tinknocker

    tinknocker New Member

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    Anybody heard any more info on I burn corn.com?........is it gone for good?
    Its been down about a month now.

    aka tinman

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  2. RowCropRenegade

    RowCropRenegade Feeling the Heat

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    maybe they are in shock of cash corn going to near 6 dollars.

    selling the corn, burning the wood.

    i think corn burners and ethanol may hit a brick wall in this market.
  3. BrotherBart

    BrotherBart Hearth.com LLC Mid-Atlantic Division Staff Member

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    Yeah the crop reports would make me think that burning dollar bills will be cheaper than burning corn this year.
  4. tinknocker

    tinknocker New Member

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    well I just ordered 2 tons of corn today, 185 a ton delivered and augered right into my corn bin in my garage.......don't even have to handle it.....don't get much easier, pellets I have to handle all those bags and its about the same price and I have pick it up........................I'll stick with my corn, pellets are just for starting the fire, maybe 1 ton a year and 12 tons of corn.
  5. krooser

    krooser Minister of Fire

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    E-85 in my town is $2.29/gallon...unleaded is $3.17....
  6. Topshelf

    Topshelf New Member

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    just picked up 1000 lbs at 170 a ton. pellets are 250 / ton in michigan. I think i will stick with corn and maybe even stock up some more :)
  7. Scoop

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    I Burn Corn is likely gone for good. The admin lost all his marbles, aka back-up data, in a computer meltdown . Sidecar Flip who burns corn hotter and faster than anyone else I know plans to start another corn buirning site in the near future. He''ll likely chime in on this as well.
  8. Sting

    Sting Feeling the Heat

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  9. Scoop

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  10. tsmith

    tsmith Minister of Fire

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    Just registered on the site, looking forward to it getting under way, I hope Kap finds it too he has really helped me out a lot as well as many others along the way.
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  12. BrotherBart

    BrotherBart Hearth.com LLC Mid-Atlantic Division Staff Member

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    http://www.kcci.com/r/25393940/detail.html
  13. tinknocker

    tinknocker New Member

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    tjnamtiw Minister of Fire

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    The ALL KNOWING government yesterday approved the production and sale of gasoline with up to 15% ethanol rather than 10%!!!! Could that have anything to do with the spike in price, me thinks? Problem is that it can only be used in 2007 or newer cars. Now how are they going to handle that at the pumps???? Do we have to buy mid-grade fuel for our older cars? Looks like corn is going to go up in price even more.
  15. rona

    rona Minister of Fire

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    There is a world wide grain shortage. Russia is no longer exporting wheat because of a severe draught this past season.
    We have been able to buy gas with ethanol from 10% up to 85% for the last couple of years-just select what you want at the pump and it meters out the combination you select.
  16. smoke show

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    good point.
    I was talking with a fellow recently that cash crops thousands of acres and he was trying to explain to me that corn(grains) are now a world commodity.
    thats why it is hard to predict what the price is gonna do.
  17. Sting

    Sting Feeling the Heat

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    I was out for a little drive yesterday afternoon -- it appeared that every piece of equipment that could was out in the field harvesting corn - every wagon that could was on the road moving it -- and there were great huge yellow piles of the stuff next to tremendous, already full bins.
  18. rona

    rona Minister of Fire

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    It has probably been one of the wettest years I have seen and the ground was saturated about 6 weeks ago from all the summer rains. 1/2 inch of new rain looked like 3 inches had fallen. Just no place for it to go. Then we got 10 inches in two days. It looked like the land of 10,000 lakes became doubled. harvest looked impossible and farmers bought tracks for the combines and grain carts. it is common to see people stuck with these huge machines. But the weather has cooperated and we are having record crops with 50-60 bushels of beans and 200 bushels of corn is common. A lot of the corn is coming in 14-17% moisture.
    They say farming is one of the biggest gambles there is and this year looks good for those whose crops didn't drown out but livestock growers who didn't contract feed costs will be hurting.
    Our land was contracted to a large dairy farmer who needs a lot of silage. he got the silage but left wheel tracks 2 foot deep in places. Good thing we have freezing weather to loosen the compaction.
    Prior to the Nixon years the US didn't export much grain and it was used as a bribe or threat for other countries.
    They had gov grain embargoes which played havoc with the prices. I can remember many times when after worring about getting a crop and fighting mother nature we would get a decent crop but the prices would be lower then the cost of production because the US wanted to make a point with another country and would cancel the exports to that country.
    Back in those days profits were counted in penneys per bushel. if the price went up a nickel everyone smiled.
  19. webbie

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    No doubt the Bush ethanol subsidies skewed the market big time! I think there is a 50 cent per gallon "grant" for turning corn into liquid fuel.

    Other than that, read the financial news. EVERY commodity, from gold to pork to copper...is up, up, up, up. This happens in certain cycles.

    Corn is still OK for a limited subset of people - those who can get it one step (very close) to the farm. If it needs to be processed, bagged and transported it cannot compete with pellets in most cases. Note that the BTUs of available heat per ton can be 20 to 25% less than pellets, so this should be figured in also. That means $200 corn would be $250 pellets (approx.).....

    I would be glad to host a corn forum here, but if someone else is more into it, that often works better. Most stove issues are actually similar (parts that break, venting, etc.), so they are covered here.
  20. Scoop

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    Thanks Craig, I think the refugees from the old corn forum are just looking for a home. With the new ethanol limits corn is just going to keep escalating. The people that burn it are a folksy kind, who are very close to the earth, and seem to have a particlar fondness for talking sbout their renewable energy resource. We'll see what happens with the new forum.
  21. rona

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    How many grants have the oil companies got? what about the US giving money to other countries to develop their oil fields? This was done not long ago during the big oil spill.
    While I am at it how much money has the wind industry gotten in grants? Wind energy is bragged as the answer to everything but isn't feasable until the gov forces the electricity cost from other sources up by way of cap and trade.
    Whether you know it or not the electric system we have was funded in a large part by grants.
    if we go back in history how much land and money was given to the railroads to develop a rail system? Same thing applied to the settlers of this land if they could survive for a certain period of time on their claim and improve it they were given the land. we needed immigrants back then. but they were screened pretty close and undesirables weren't allowed into this country. Fast forward to now - with unemployment where it is and factorys closing do we need any immigrants? Especially the illegal ones collecting cash from the generous US.
  22. webbie

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    The question is not the grants nor the use of corn for fuel. The question is whether the policy was thought through and if it was/is a good one for now and the future.

    I'm all for the government helping the proper things go forward quicker, but I think when all is said and done we will find the liquid fuel made from corn in the USA may not be one of the winners in the marketplace. Brazil makes their ethanol from sugar cane.....which I think produces more fuel per acre and requires less energy input per acre.

    It may end up that other crops are distilled into diesel using microbes which have already been developed. Lots of possible options.

    Point is, the price of corn shot up big time not only tracking with other commodities, but because a large amount was taken for the ethanol production.

    We'd probably have to do a lot of studying to figure all this out.......and the most efficient plant or process will win.
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  24. tinknocker

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    do you know that for sure?, did you talk to JA?
  25. rowerwet

    rowerwet Minister of Fire

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    Corn for ethanol is mostly a big buy for the Iowa caucuses, most studies show we burn more fuel growing the corn than we get from making ethanol and if you figure the carbon out/in factor we are making more carbon to try to save some coming from the car. So really we are subsidizing vote buying while cutting our MPG slightly, corn makes sense as food, not ethanol. Hopefully we do find great sources of ethanol that don't need law ($$$) to make them viable in the market.
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