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Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by AppalachianStan, Dec 10, 2011.

  1. stoveguy2esw

    stoveguy2esw Minister of Fire

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    eco bricks are like a big azzed pellet, they need a good kindling base establiched. they are very dry but quite dense so they can ba hard to start a fire with.

    are you running with the bypass open?

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  2. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    That is for a door that covers the fan, Air intake and ash pan.
  3. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    Yes until I can get it up to temp then close it.
  4. stoveguy2esw

    stoveguy2esw Minister of Fire

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    i assume that you arent able to get it up to temp now though cause you cant get a fire going? ok was just checking.

    im still "grinding" on this one, its harder cause i dont know the stove per se. can you even get a kindling fire started with the door cracked open? or does it blow smoke at you even with slightly cracked door?
  5. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    Here is a pic of my roof. Please over look my house that I kind of inherited. I was working on it when I messed may back up.

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  6. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    Yes I can get the kindling going with the door open but if I close the door even after 45mins it dies.
  7. stoveguy2esw

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    hey , no worries on the house. its a roof, better than many have. the flue setup looks fine hard to tell from teh angle but it seems to be ok, so we'll let that one go, its not a 10-3-2 rule issue.

    next thing, your other post said you CAN build a kindling fire but when yo uclose the door no matter how hot you get it it dies out right?
    this is good in a way , it means the flue is pulling, but bad as its not pulling strong enough through the stove to pull it when the door is closed.

    are the joints in the single wall sealed with a sealer? or taped so we have no air intrusion in the pipe joints? this wouldnt matter with an old cast iron leak box but it does with a welded out (airtight) stove. you see , chimneys are lazy, they will pill all they can from the easiest point they can get it. when the door is cracked, its easy, when door shuts its harder as the openings arent as big as the doorway. so the chimney will pull through leaks in pipe joints, at teh collar or anywhere else it can get air easier than through the stove. OUR TASK is to take away these options and force the chimney to have to pull through the stove. assuming the pipes arent sealed up
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    stoveguy2esw Minister of Fire

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    what about splits, will they burn off the kindling with the door cracked? and they even die when door is shut?


    stay with me on this, we'll figure it out, im too hardheaded to just give up on it
  9. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    No the stove pipe is not sealed.
  10. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    I had a hard time getting the stove pipe in. so taped will have do for now. I will have to go to lowe's tomorrow to get the tape.
  11. stoveguy2esw

    stoveguy2esw Minister of Fire

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    ok, taped is ok. were they already taped or are you saying you will tape them.

    if the pipes arent currently sealed it may have quite a bit to do with the problem. so , definately , get some of the silver tape and hit every seam you can find. if you want to see if this is an issue first, take a lit match, after getting your fire started, and closing the door trace the lit match around the seams and joints ogf the pipe see if the flame is pulled toward the seam.

    EDIT: im getting growled at, gonna have to call it a night. i'll check back in the morning.
  12. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    Same times if the door is open good fire. Close the door the fire dies dies out with no flames. Now that manual you have is for the new 52 bay stove.It uses the Phase 2 damper housing it uses 4 cats my stove is phase 1 uses two cats.
  13. remkel

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    It seems to me it is an air intake issue.

    Before new gaskets- fire fine
    After new gaskets- fire not fine

    Change? New gaskets are not allowing as much air into the stove as you had going in there before. I would check your air intakes IMHO.
  14. oldspark

    oldspark Guest

    Ok you answered my question (forgot how this started) the fire was ok with the old gaskets?
  15. shawneyboy

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    +1 to this. I have to wonder as was put earlier if the intake is being blocked by support stones since the stove has no legs.
  16. Trktrd

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    I had all these same issues when getting my Ashley up and running. I found the best cure was sealing the joints in the single wall connector pipe and extending the chimney. Imagine drinking through a straw with holes in it. Same goes with a chimney. These stoves are dependant on a good draft to operate properly.
  17. AppalachianStan

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    That maybe. I think it is a poor design on the air intake on the stove IMO. I am going to check the stove pipe with incense to see if it draws air in round the joints. I have rechecked the stove for leaks with incense and it is not drawing any air except for the air intake.
  18. stoveguy13

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    i would try extending the chimney you can try it with some black pipe as a test i wsould start with the a 3ft extention
  19. oldspark

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    Some good advice here with the cheap extension, if that dont work try checking for air leaks with a doobie.
  20. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    The stove can be used as a insert or a free standing. If it is used as an insert the stove is setting on the floor. IMO I can see how it would draw air from the bottom if it is on the floor. But what do I know I am not a chimney scientist. That way I am here asking the scientist what to do. Thanks for your help.
  21. AppalachianStan

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    I Will have to find some one to put it on.
  22. oldspark

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    Excuse me if this was asked, how is that setting on the stone, could it be raised up to check underneath?
  23. Troutchaser

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    I'd say it's likely that your new gaskets stopped some air leakage into the stove that used to keep your fire stoked.
    Leave the bypass open until a good bed of coals and fresh stuff burning. With a small fire/little heat, closing that bypass can snuff a fire.
  24. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

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    That what I am doing right now. so far so good. It is 47* outside. damper and air is wide open, Stove top at 350* and stove pipe at 250* 5 mins in to the burn. useing just wood.
  25. oldspark

    oldspark Guest

    Those temps look real good so far, what did you do different?

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