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Improved draft!!

Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by Trilifter7, Feb 17, 2013.

  1. Trilifter7

    Trilifter7 Feeling the Heat

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    Finally got around to adding another section of pipe to my chimney and the improved draft is actually noticeable! My total chimney height from stove top to cap was barely 12' and just didn't seem to have good pull out of the firebox. After adding the 3' section of Duraplus triple wall SS pipe the stove is def breathing better. I've been burning the same wood for about 4 weeks now and it seems to be burning easier with the added section of pipe. I know I need to give it a week to truly know but I'm liking the results so far!!

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  2. NortheastAl

    NortheastAl Minister of Fire

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    You've got those stabilizers welded on to the stack? I've never seen that before.
  3. Trilifter7

    Trilifter7 Feeling the Heat

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    They are actually screwed and sealed to the outer wall. Not ideal but I didn't install it. The chimney was there when I bought the house.
  4. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    The additional 3ft. can make a large difference in stove performance. Good move.
  5. Trilifter7

    Trilifter7 Feeling the Heat

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    After adding this pipe and noticing the change in draft it has me thinking... Could I also gain some draft from insulating my inside pipe? I currently have 6' of single wall pipe from the stove to the ceiling before it transitions to the triple wall outside pipe. Would I see much improvement in draft if I converted that pipe to a black double wall inside pipe? And would I lose much heat from not getting the radiant heat in the house from the single wall pipe? The draft seems ok now but with the extended height outside it had me thinking if insulating the inside pipe would help me keep my flue temps up to prevent creosote from forming in the extended pipe. I will be switching my old resolute out for a new Isle Royale this spring so I could change the pipe then. What do you guys think, worth losing the inside heat for improved draft and hotter flue pipe outside?
  6. ohlongarm

    ohlongarm Minister of Fire

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    Nice move ,I'm doing the exact same thing within a week,I am running the BK with just 14 feet from stove collar to chimney cap runs okay but I feel adding an extra 4 feet will allow me to dial it down lower and add an hour or two to burn times.
  7. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    Switching to double wall will help the flue gases stay hotter. That improves draft and keeps the chimney cleaner.

    Switching to the IR will be a major change in heat output. Is the place large enough for this?
  8. Trilifter7

    Trilifter7 Feeling the Heat

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    Thanks BG, I might experiment with the double wall next season. My house is an 1800 sq ft single floor on a poorly insulated crawl space. The VC Resolute does ok at heating it right now but I really want to get longer burn times with more heat. I struggle to maintain anything over 70 and when it gets into the teens or colder I really have to crank it to keep up. My daily schedule is to relight and load it up in the morning around 6am then relight and load it at around 5pm, feed it again at 8 or 9pm then load it up for overnight at 10pm. The resolute puts out good heat but only for about 4-5 hrs at best. I think the IR could really extend that burn time and heat output. From what I have read the IR also works well with less than perfect draft... Which is what I have with 15' of chimney. I also really like the top load function of the IR and the cast iron benefit of a a strong but not intense radiant heat. So far from what I can tell it should be a good change for me.
  9. begreen

    begreen Mooderator Staff Member

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    Can't fault your thinking. Keep us posted on your progress.
  10. embers aplenty

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    Looks nice and good move. I just changed from a dragon to new epa stove in my garage. I installed a new 8" triple wall through attic and out the roof with Selkirk single wall inside just a few years ago when a new roof was installed. The new stove is 6". I've just got it ran into a 8 to 6" reducer at the top of the stove right now which works ok.

    I might put up some new 6" double wall above the stove, and then hook onto the 8" triple wall with an increaser at the ceiling. I might even add a section at the top like you have. Only bad thing is when you need to get up their and take your cap off, it could get hairy. We could always rig us up a wire brush on an angle with a telescoping rod for that. ;lol

    I've got a Quadrafire Yosemite in my house which is the little brother to the IR. My old house is small at just about 900 square ft. and the Yose is nearly overkill at times but I do like it. I have no trouble getting long burn times plus the view of the fire and the looks of the stove and the way it sets on the hearth in my little place would be hard to match with another. If you get to thinking the IR would nearly be overkill, you might think about the Cumberland Gap, which is the middle of the road size. Good luck to you. If we didn't have some kind of new heating project in mind we might get bored. :cool:
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    I am not sure what dealers in the Dayton area carry the IR.

    There is a dealer in Lynchburg that had one in stock about a month ago. From Dayton go to Wilmington then take St. Rt. 134 to Lynchburg. Dealer in on the right as you come into town. Ask for Charley, he owns the place and is a good ole country boy. I bought my T6 from him and my neighbor bought his insert and had liner installed also. Good service.

    I am not sure if I can post the name of shop due to forum rules about advertising
  12. Trilifter7

    Trilifter7 Feeling the Heat

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    been working with so far.
    Thanks embers! If only the Cumberland gap was a top load. I don't think the IR will be too big for my needs. The Resolute heats the house ok but thats partly bc I shut the doors to 2 bedrooms that are a spare bedroom and office on the far end of the house. When it gets cold those rooms are in the 40's to upper 30's and that end of the house in general is always 10-20 deg cooler than the rest of the house. With the IR I hope to be able to put a small fan over there and push some cold air towards the stove and finally heat that end of the house.

    Thanks for the heads up flhpi! I know what shop you are talking about, I'll check it out. The quad dealer in Dayton is who I have been working with so far. They are willing to knock 10% off the regular price so far. Quad is also offering a $300 rebate right now until march 5th so I'll check it out soon!
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    Wow... I thought I was loading a lot! What wood are you burning? If you have to relight after only 11 hours on hardwoods, I would also be looking for another/bigger stove.
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    I had good service with the local quad dealer. I'm glad I went local.
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    Trilifter7 Feeling the Heat

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    It's def a pain to say the least. I'm not sure what a lot of my wood is. I have been getting most of my wood from a guy who lives on an old tree farm. He has horses now and tries to keep the land clean so he welcomes people to come up and clear out any dead stuff he has. Lucky I've been the only one willing to cut and split so far! The problem is neither of us know what any of the wood is, lol. I know I have some locust and sycamore. I'm still trying to identify the rest. One thing that sure doesn't help is most of the wood I have left to burn this year is in the mid 20's on the MM. Burn what ya got right
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    Trilifter7 Feeling the Heat

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    I forgot to ask you about that Mitch! Who did you deal with there, Chuck or Bryan?
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    Mainly Chuck. He visited the house three times. Once to advise on install and size of stove, then he came back to advise on the circular hole being cut thru the chimney then once on the final install. Very helpful.
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    That's good to know. I might have him stop out too make sure my setup and stove sizing is correct. They seem like a good company to work with
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    I added 3 feet of just single wall to the top of my stack, the difference it made was very noticeable. Sometimes it doesn't take much to get a better draft going.

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