Depends FC - there are two schools of thought. Straight markup from cost or profit percent. My company works off of profit margin. We have a competitor that works off of markup. That can pose for some interesting pricing and customer conversations.
My company works off of profit margin.
Yes, I saw people not agreeing with "increasing" the min wage,,,,no one talked of lowering them except you. You know,,,increase and decrease are opposites?Oh I think you may have missed just a few bemoaning the proposed increase in min wages for a start. Care to have a go at the question? What type of margin does your business operate on? Do you have increased potential for profit as your expenses & employees wages increase? If not, why not? For that matter why even continue if when your costs rise your potential profit does not?
I do not understand why you think your profits will go up as you raise your expenses and employee wages. If that was true,,, please hire me and pay me thousands of dollars per hour, and pay your suppliers double what you do now,,,think of the potential profit you can make!
I think I understand, and my bottom line agreesI think you completely misunderstand the concept of profit margin.
above is the question you asked, that I remarked on.Do you have increased potential for profit as your expenses & employees wages increase? If not, why not?
One small way that profits may improve with higher wages is employee retention. This is especially important with a skilled labor pool. Pay your employees well and give them good working conditions and you will retain them. If your competition doesn't get this, you will succeed where they fail.Training is costly.
One small way that profits may improve with higher wages is employee retention. This is especially important with a skilled labor pool. Pay your employees well and give them good working conditions and you will retain them. If your competition doesn't get this, you will succeed where they fail.Training is costly.
I thought this was a discussion about raising the minimum wage, somewhat forcing your competition to "get this."Pay your employees well and give them good working conditions and you will retain them. If your competition doesn't get this, you will succeed where they fail.Training is costly.
If they made the min wage $15 in ohio, it would effect us. We have people in that wage area. If we were forced to start untrained, unskilled workers at that hourly rate,,,everybody in the shop would want a raise, so it would cost us more then just the new hires.minimum wage wont affect me, all my employees are higher than that.
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That may be so but in my profession and in my market area the base pay rate is very low. As the minimum wage climbs higher that means it is getting closer to what experienced employees are making per hour. That can have a huge impact on employee moral when I have to pay a man right off the street a wage that is close to someone who has been there for some time. I'm of the mind set that happy workers are productive workers so I feel the need to compensate my regular guys with a raise. That means in order to maintain a reasonable profit margin I need to pass that cost on to the customer. As a landscaper/nurseryman what I'm selling isn't an essential commodity to day to day life. As my prices get higher my customer base is going to think long and hard as to weather they really need my service or not. I could very easily hire a bunch of Mexicans for lower wages but we are a small family owned business that has been in the same place for 85 years and I refuse to do that just to make a buck. Besides, I know my market and it wouldn't go over well. What I'm having a hard time wrapping my pea brain around is how some can say that raising the minimum wage is going to create jobs or help an already floundering economy. In my view I see it driving many business' under as well as raising price to all consumers. Isn't the cost of labor in this country already the reason so many companies have been shipping jobs over seas? I'm not trying to get into an internet pizzin match with any one, just trying to under stand the logic behind this topic.minimum wage wont affect me, all my employees are higher than that.
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That may be so but in my profession and in my market area the base pay rate is very low. As the minimum wage climbs higher that means it is getting closer to what experienced employees are making per hour. That can have a huge impact on employee moral when I have to pay a man right off the street a wage that is close to someone who has been there for some time. I'm of the mind set that happy workers are productive workers so I feel the need to compensate my regular guys with a raise.
Isn't the cost of labor in this country already the reason so many companies have been shipping jobs over seas? I'm not trying to get into an internet pizzin match with any one, just trying to under stand the logic behind this topic.
No I don't want to see us become a third world economy but then since you stated that its more practical to use cheap labor else where I think you answered my question. But then most of the trade imbalances and prices caused by them are more of a political matter and I'm not going to get started on that dirt road.That's the race to the bottom... Its not that our labor has gotten too expensive, its just that cheap trade/transport/communicatins have made it practical to use cheap labor elsewhere. Do you really want our country to "get competitive" by reducing our standard of living down to the 3rd world?
Sounds like a good recipe for run a way inflation to me.Yes, hopefully raising hte miimum wage has the effect of driving all wages up.
I don't mean to start anything, but in that map I can't help but notice that the states in which more hours are required are generally states in which the minimum wage is higher.This map puts the pain of working at a minimum wage into a national perspective. Just affording an apartment eats up over 30% of their income.
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And California has a higher min wage than Michigan. I'm just pointing out that map doesn't mean a whole lot in this discussion.?? Texas, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia all require more hours than WA which has higher minimum wage.
This map puts the pain of working at a minimum wage into a national perspective. Just affording an apartment eats up over 30% of their income.
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That may be so but in my profession and in my market area the base pay rate is very low. As the minimum wage climbs higher that means it is getting closer to what experienced employees are making per hour. That can have a huge impact on employee moral when I have to pay a man right off the street a wage that is close to someone who has been there for some time. I'm of the mind set that happy workers are productive workers so I feel the need to compensate my regular guys with a raise. That means in order to maintain a reasonable profit margin I need to pass that cost on to the customer. As a landscaper/nurseryman what I'm selling isn't an essential commodity to day to day life. As my prices get higher my customer base is going to think long and hard as to weather they really need my service or not. I could very easily hire a bunch of Mexicans for lower wages but we are a small family owned business that has been in the same place for 85 years and I refuse to do that just to make a buck. Besides, I know my market and it wouldn't go over well. What I'm having a hard time wrapping my pea brain around is how some can say that raising the minimum wage is going to create jobs or help an already floundering economy. In my view I see it driving many business' under as well as raising price to all consumers. Isn't the cost of labor in this country already the reason so many companies have been shipping jobs over seas? I'm not trying to get into an internet pizzin match with any one, just trying to under stand the logic behind this topic.
Yes, hopefully raising hte miimum wage has the effect of driving all wages up... Do you really want our country to "get competitive" by reducing our standard of living down to the 3rd world?
Well I never said I had a problem with that. All I mean as that in my market and my line of work it would not work well at all. In "Podunk" Iowa the home owners I deal with on a daily basis have a different out look as to who does their work for them. If I was to be doing purely commercial jobs or in a factory situation my hiring policy's would be completely different. I wasn't trying to raise racisms ugly head with my comment. This whole debate has completely different impacts on people who are in completely different situations I think.Most of my work force is Latino, and some front office too. Spanish is spoken here as much as English. we have one line for the spanish only speakers to call into the office and have Anilde answer so she can communicate with them. All my supervisors are bilingual most from South America. Yes they are all here legally, because we do background checks and most of the companies we work for require we provide that documentation. We do very hard work and the "white boys" are to good to work for 18 dollars an hour plus benefits, retirement and health care. Do not get me started on that one. There is a lot more to people wanting to work than the minimum wage.