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Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by jtakeman, Jan 8, 2010.

  1. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    Sounds like he really knows his stuff.

    I should let him take over. I would like to see some of his pellet testing so we all can vue his results.

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  2. ChandlerR

    ChandlerR Minister of Fire

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    Dobie, I don't know why you have made such a big deal out of what Jay has done. It seems to me that you're just looking for a fight. When things quieted down, you're poking the fire again. I would argue that is trolling. I did look at the rules as you suggested and here is a quote.

    7. No Trolls or forum hogs – often one and the same. Do not post for reasons such as:
    A. To bring attention to yourself
    B. To hassle other people or start flame wars
    C. To “diss” another person"

    This is a great place to visit. I look forward to checking in every day. I don't look on it as a scientific source of information, but rather a place where friends share information.

    Keep up the good work guys.

    Chan
  3. Meneillys

    Meneillys Feeling the Heat

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    Holy smokes gone one day and it takes 30 min to read all the posts. I do plan on using the chart for sales as long as Jay is ok with me doing so. I am going to add that it is user testing and that all stoves/pellets are not equal and that some may burn different than others. This testing gives people a starting place on pellet brands they didn't have before. Thank you for all your hard work and for re testing the samples I sent you. Oh yea also I will think of a kick back for using the testing chart not sure what but something for sure.
  4. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    You are more than welcome to use any of this. Actually I feel honoured that you think my testing is a valid comparison. No kick backs are necessary.

    If I ever come into your area, I will have to stop in and say hello!

    Take care.
    jay
  5. dobie daddy

    dobie daddy New Member

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    INCREDIBLE

    what a lie "So your saying every pellet has the same BTU value" told by some 1 who said “I am in no way biased in anything I said! “

    and such sarcasm "Holy smokes…that is all it takes Jay???...WoW…so you mean if you just put a tad more Inferno’s in the burn pot…you get Cubex results…if anyone believe this…please PM me…I have a bridge for sale you might be interested in…. " told by some 1 who claims they are a "Exclusive wholesale distributor of Okanagan, Dragon Mtn and SureFire pellets"

    Yet offer no,none zippo information to disprove my statement

    plain and simple. More Fuel=More heat.
    Less Fuel= Less heat.”

    Just the same old rhetoric.
  6. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    I have asked you to explain this a little better. Yet you just keep repeating the same line.

    Please answer the question and maybe you will receive a little respect.

    One other question for you. Does one pound of Oak fiber contain the same BTU value of say one pound maple fiber?

    I am not trying to disprove you. just asking questions.
  7. HEMI

    HEMI Feeling the Heat

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    Jay, you put in alot of time and effort to put together a comparison chart for all us members to see the differences in all the different brands of pellets. you don't owe this guy any explanations cause he clearly is one sided.........thanks again for all the info........CHEERS BUDDY!
  8. SmokeyTheBear

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    Jay, dobie is saying among other things that 1.0001 pounds of brand A always produces more heat than 1.0000 pounds of brand A.

    I for one would like to see the results of his tests repeated several times by say the Sandia National Labs.

    I'll wager that isn't always the case, but then again maybe some pellet manufacturer has completely solved the consistency problem with pellets.

    Remember, he isn't even considering cases of pellet A vs pellet B with that statement.
  9. blues

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    Jay, thanks for doing these tests.
    Although variables exist both in environment and equipment, it is a fantastic guide. and I'll wager the majority fall within 10% of your results.
  10. dobie daddy

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    [quote author="jtakeman" date="1264800355"][quote author="dobie daddy" date="1264796925"]

    Yet offer no,none zippo information to disprove my statement

    plain and simple. More Fuel=More heat.
    Less Fuel= Less heat.”

    Just the same old rhetoric.[/quote

    Please answer the question and maybe you will receive a little respect./quote]



    Here we go again

    Foolishness Please answer the question and maybe you will receive a little respect

    lies more pellets in the burn pot of Inferno brand pellets will produce the same heat as say…..Cubex…According to your “statement”

    smoke and mirrors More fuel (Inferno) will equal the same heat as one of the better pellets


    These characters have garnered enough of my time.
    My statements remain infallible.
    Oh yea I will remain around periodically to update the statements as needed so members can make a informed decision.
  11. coloradan

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    Let me give you an example here, so you can try to understand what most of us here are trying to explain to you...

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    I have two brands of pellets, Brand A and Brand B. Both of these pellets are about the same diameter and length. Brand A has a BTU of 7,800. It will heat my house to 68 degrees on medium setting. Brand B has a BTU of 8,500, and it will heat my house to 73 degrees on the same exact setting. Both of these brands will last about 16 hours in my stove on medium setting.

    To achieve a temperature of 73 degrees in my house using Brand A, I would have to increase the heat setting to high, thus increasing the fuel. So, your statement of more fuel = more heat is true. But, by adding more fuel, you are using more pellets. So, instead of lasting 16 hours per bag (like Brand B will), Brand A will now only last 12 hours. At those settings, I would have to burn one more bag of Brand A per every 4 bags of Brand B. Over the course of one ton, that would total 12 1/2 bags more of Brand A than Brand B. At a cost of roughly $5 a bag, that would be $62.50 more for me to pay.
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    A lower BTU pellet requires more fuel to achieve the same temperature as a pellet with a higher BTU.

    So, More Fuel=More Heat=More Pellets=More Money

    If you're happy with that, then fine. I'll stick to Brand B and save myself some money. Yay! :cheese:
  12. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    Nectardan very well explained, Some pellet manufacturer's do the more fuel more heat for us by stuffing(density) as much high BTU fiber into there pellets as possible. Thats why you will get the higher BTU rated pellets. Same reason as a Lower BTU softwood fiber can compete with a higher BTU hardwood fiber. They stuff in as much fiber as they can. Density is very important in a softwood pellet because its fiber is lower in BTU's.

    dobie daddy your theory is right. But you need to do it within the pellet itself. Stuff as much fiber into the pellet as possible and try to use the highest BTU fiber as possible. A higher BTU fiber also makes a difference more than some actually understand. You could use lesser amount of high BTU fiber(as in less dense) to equal a lower BTU fiber at a higher density. Both pellets could equal the same rated BTU value. Or you could do both. Use a high BTU Oak fiber and make it as dense as possible like Cubex does, one of few pellets rated at 9000 BTU's/LBS. I think Bear Mountain has a Douglas fir pellet thats close to 9000 BTU's as well.

    Maybe that is what you meant? I am not sure because you never really explained it.

    Here is a BTU rating for wood species.

    http://www.thelograck.com/firewood_rating_chart.html

    I like nectardan, Would rather use a high quality pellet and not have to over compensate with my pellet feed rate.

    IF we can't agree, Can we at least agree to disagree?
  13. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    With all the drama I forgot to mension we have some Dragon Mountains coming in on Thursday to add to the test. I am dieing to get them in the hopper! So as soon as I get them there going to the front of the remaining line up!

    Not many brands to go, We will be down to 4 with the dragons added. If I get with macman I will add the Allegeny and Lignetics all hardwood pellets. I can see the end of the tunnel and can't wait to be a regular burner for a while! I have to get my pellet stash rearranged and ready for the late season sales and early spring deals! Must keep my pig status ya know!

    Heck I may retire from this testing stuff. You guys get the idea and can figure it out from here. We got krooser testing out West and Benski testing up North. I still might drop one in here or there. I don't think the wife would let me do this type of a large scale test again anyway. But we shall see!

    I think I got the most brands burned in one season and I double dog Dare anyone to try and BEAT me at it. You will have to show proof such as I did with all the bags and ash tallies. Will anyone except the challenge?
  14. imacman

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    No Jay, I'm sure your are the KING of pellets at this point, and I don't see anyone taking the crown away for a LONG time....LOL.

    Speaking of the Lig's, Allegeny, Warm Front, Premier Softwood, and CleanFire pellets I have to trade with you, when are we gonna do that? I'll do the drive today if you want.
  15. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    Wish I could macman, Same as usual got crap to do. The issue of meeting has always been my lack of free time. But it has to be soon. I am almost out of testing stock.

    I am shooting for Friday after work. I will send you a PM.
  16. opus74

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    Jay:

    Let me add my name & full support to your testing and the way you do it.
    As a newbie to the pellet world, I find you results to be valuable.

    I am also happy to see you testing the Ozarks.
    I have had good luck with them, and am anxious to see what you think.
    That said, I will not in any way disagree, badger, annoy, torment, harry, heckle,
    persecute, irk, bother, tease, or ruffle you over the results. :cheese:

    Thanks again.
  17. johnnycomelately

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    You Go Jay!
    great Job and thanks for your hard work.
    Did you ever test the Maine Woods pellets? I burned some of them last week. Kinda dusty , lots of ash, but decent heat.
  18. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    Yes he did the results are in this thread http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/42511/ which was for pellets at big box stores.
  19. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    SOFTWOOD

    Dragon Mountain results

    Temp average 255ºF

    Ash volume was about the 10 ounce mark on jar.

    Ash weight 3.36 ounces

    Ash Percentage 0.2625%

    Fines were just under 1/8 cup both bags

    These pellet's were donated. Thanks for the help in my testing challenge

    Notes A little bit dusty.

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  20. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    The Dragon mountains arrive today by Fedex. I will be burning them shortly. Just waiting for the stove to cool down.

    This will probably be the last entry in this test thread. If I get anymore to test I wll just start a new thread(if you approve). I also recieved the Tree Cycle from UPS and will burn them right after the Pure Fire pellets. The results will be in the Tree Cycle follow up thread. Just FYI.

    Its been fun!
    jay
  21. nailed_nailer

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    Jay,

    Nice work my man!

    Again!

    I really appreciate your efforts.

    If you PM me a mailing address I can offer a personal pay back.

    Remember I am a woodturner. I have a cool idea.

    Don't let the nay-sayers get you down. Treat them like fines in the bag. Just throw them in the Omega hopper and let the auger push them into the firebox.

    ---Nailer---
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    see any good look'n pellets, er,seeds??? NWOntario
    ....... :lol: ......cc
  23. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    :lol: :lol: might cause major auger jam!

    No personal payback is needed nailer. My payback has been all the members support. But I will shoot you a PM because now I am curious on what the idea is????

    test on!
  24. jtakeman

    jtakeman Minister of Fire

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    I just finished cleaning the stove after the PureFires and as soon as I weight the ash tomorrow at work. Can you say done, finish ect ect. YEA!!!!! :lol:

    Again it was fun but time for basement reorginizing and Bring in next years stash. The deals have come early this year.

    Gonna just be a plain old pellet burner for a bit.

    Thanks to all in the moral support, You people are the best. Happy pellet hunting and burning to you all!
    jay
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    see any good look'n pellets, er,seeds??? NWOntario
    .......good job Jay......thanks for helping us to see that 'all pellets are not created equal'....... appreciate all the testing you have done......... stay warm!!! ....... cc :)

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