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  1. smwilliamson

    smwilliamson Minister of Fire

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    I wonder what USSC thinks of this? Message through LinkedIn

    Hi, Mr.Scott

    How are you? We are a 30 years experience stove manufacturer in China for US Stove Company. May I ask you whether you have any interesting to buy the stoves from China? And some of our models have CE certificate which available to sell in EU.

    Best regards

    Gao - Manager at Shandong Universal Machinery Co.,Ltd
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  3. Don2222

    Don2222 Minister of Fire

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    That is how Ardisam got started selling their Castle line of stoves! Btw - Tractor Supply gets their US stoves right from China. That is how they can sell them cheap. You have to sell a lot of stoves to pay for the boat ride over here. I know of a guy that has his own Biz unloading containers off the freighters. Needless to say he is a millionaire!
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    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    Sounds like you should get together with Gao and see if they would like you to service those fine devices.
  5. RCCARPS

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    The boat ride over is the cheap part. You can move a 40ft container from China to an East Coast port cheaper than a 53ft trailer running cross country in the US.

    Shanghai Port to your door on the East Coast (40ft container) is max $4,000. That's unless you live 100s of miles from a port.

    Not sure how large the typical stove is crated up, but based upon weight you could theoretically get about 140 stoves into a container (300lb/unit packaged weight 42,000lb container capacity). That gives you with a per unit shipping cost delivered to your door of $30. Now I know there isn't a chance in the world of getting 140 stoves into a container, but you guys get the idea.

    RC
  6. smwilliamson

    smwilliamson Minister of Fire

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    I have a buddy that was shipping some boilers over from Austria and the container on the ship "went overboard" during a storm at sea. I guess it happens all the time....crazy
  7. Don2222

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    Good info RC, now I just need a good logo for the name plate on the stove. Master Pellet Stove maybe?
  8. smwilliamson

    smwilliamson Minister of Fire

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    What do you think the difference is between "General Gao Chicken" and "General Manager Gao Chicken" is?
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    Don2222 Minister of Fire

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    Yea Smokey but the Pyro Industries model WP 1 was nothing to write home about, we all have to start somewhere. I was talking to my friend Pete and after his trip to China this year, his new model out this fall sounds very promising indeed!
  10. smwilliamson

    smwilliamson Minister of Fire

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    while it may not have been the "perfect design" it was the first design or the first ever pellet stove....there is a difference here...the Chinese could in fact copy something which is reliable, tried and true and would still manage to screw it up...

    How about starting with a copy of a design that actually works well enough to want to put your name on it? The Chinese are good imitators but seem to lack the skill set of real makers of things, we just go there cause to us they are slaves...over there we call it opportunity, here its called slavery!

    Pay someone a living wage and they may actually make something to be proud of.
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    Don2222 Minister of Fire

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    Very True!
  12. MountainSean

    MountainSean Credo Quia Absurdum

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    The Legend would have been the first :) But the Advantage I was only a year behind it.
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    DneprDave Feeling the Heat

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    Nah, It doesn't happen very often. In my 27 years at sea, I've only seen one container break open and spill it's load.

    Unfortunately, it was full of onions, not beer. :mad: They were all over the deck!

    Dave
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    Agreed Dave, That was just one of Scott's colorful stories.
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    The sauce.:)
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    and now I want some general Goa's chicken :(
  17. moey

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    A good portion of quads are made in China. Id argue Id rather have a entire stove made and designed in one place then having it put together piecemeal like most of them.
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    IHATEPROPANE Minister of Fire

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    The chinese can copy as well or has poorly as they have to to keep business. There is plenty of chinese junk but there are some products they copy and copy very well .....one example is the honda gx clones....if an american company demands good quality they will get it from them...if not..well they will give them crap
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    Semi submerged containers are a huge hazard for sailboats off shore. Happens more than you think

    Peace

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    Chicom copy good or bad, The quality is depend to a large extent by the specs supplied by the purchaser. Machine tools are classic examples of bad, poor, reasonable, better ,decent, and even overpriced selling under an old name brand moniker. The one area that is always suspect is electric motors and switches, for what ever reason they all are damn poor. There is on a volume/ratio basis just as much from former iron curtain areas. I can remember when anything from Japan was consider junk some of it still is. Most of the blame can be handed on a more or less 50/50 basis to mfg. and consumers. been volumes written on that. One area that is really poor are nuts and bolts, not only are standards extremely loose. Chicom stuff tends to have its very own metric system as well as SAE and you can forget about bolt hardness grading completely. Oh and wiring/circuit schematics can sometime defy all logic as the actual components change on a daily basis but the original charts are what are supplied with out the changes noted or referenced. I have a lot of gray hair from the latter way more than any of my offspring created.
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    In a previous industry, I used to source our MFG product from China. We would provide the drawings and they would come back with beautiful prototypes. The shipments started to arrive. Junk for the most part.

    They have no concept of Quality Control. Many of the plants are run by relatives and friends and if they have an overload they source out the jobs to their friends without telling you. What a mess. It took us a couple of years to clean it up and get decent consistent products.

    Yes, you can get decent product out of China. But you have to watch them like hawks. They will cut corners whenever you are not watching. That's why bigger companies have North American employees over there ensuring quality control. If you are big enough, you can do a 'joint venture' with a plant over there so you are part owner (You can never fully own a company in China since it's primarily owned by the govt).

    And some of the products from China we use to have MFG for us was bolts, washers & heavy hardware for the electrical utilities industry. We had some of the best hardware in the industry because we were doing quality control on every shipments. So they can make really good products if they want to.
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    The Chimcom metric system only needs to be within a mm or two, not quite as exacting as the the rest of the worlds metric system
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    This is pretty well played out

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