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Want to leave NYS in 2 years. Taxes are crazy!

Post in 'DIY and General non-hearth advice' started by charly, Oct 15, 2012.

  1. charly

    charly Guest

    Thinking about selling our 96 acre farm in 2 more years. Have friends that live in TN, they love it, 700 dollars a year for total taxes. That's why they left. Any suggestions on good places to look. Would still like some acreage that I can cut my own wood , etc. I'm betting our taxes will be near 10,000 by the time we go to leave. Near 200 dollars a week for taxes, are you kidding me? They can have NYS. Still would like some change of seasons. Out in the boonies is fine.

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  2. ironpony

    ironpony Minister of Fire

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    Left the island in 90 taxes were almost 10000 then. In Ohio now I like it.
  3. DAKSY

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    I'm at $8K per year here. Looked at a LOT of Tennessee & North Carolina a coupla weeks ago, when we rode the Tail of the Dragon & I'm thinkin that the Western part of NC or the SE part of Tenn. is where I wanna go to. Didn't really look at real estate when I was down there, because that was my first trip to that area. Coupla more years til retirement & before than I will take a ride back down & see what's affordable...
  4. webbie

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    Heck, in NJ people pay 15K for taxes on a decent McMansion......

    It's a lot of money, for sure - but you also have to weigh ALL the other factors. I lived in TN for a couple years.....where I was it was VERY hot, like a normal summer day was over 90.

    You have to measure out all the various pros and cons......can you fit in with the culture? Enough things to do? Weather? How close to airports, the beach, friends, relatives or anywhere you might like to go? How about the medical care?

    Do your research.....and then make the decision.

    We were just talking yesterday about this type of thing.....I was saying that I would never feel at home in a place like California, no matter how beautiful parts of it are. I like the close together towns and rural areas of the NE.....pretty much feel at home anywhere from DC to Maine and east of Albany!

    In TN we lived down south of Columbia - that's about 75 minutes south of Nashville. The land is much more fertile and the weather warmer than the higher hills of eastern TN (smokeys).
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  5. Backwoods Savage

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    Holy Smokes! That is super high taxes! I would leave too.
  6. charly

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    Well thanks for all the feed back. And Bob see your a Harley Rider. I was a tech for 10 years at Spitzies Harley Davidson, 79-89. My buddies are always after me to get riding again. That had to be a nice ride down south. Yes I'll keep looking and perhaps head down to my friends place in TN. Myself, I like the seclusion, don't need a ton of people around at all to have a good time. You can always go to the people , and yet be away when you want the peace and quiet in my book. I'm not going to let these taxes suck up my money. I know better!
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  7. webbie

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    If you can really "live where you live", it's a good thing to move there - I know a lot of people, though, that move somewhere in the boonies and then want to still live a lot of their old live! Next thing you know, they are flying places every couple of weeks, taking regular long drives in the car back to the old homestead, etc....

    But, yeah, if seclusion is your thing - TN is really nice. The people are REALLY nice. Really.
  8. charly

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    My friend who moved there loves the people, he fit right in. Makes great wine, raises bees, a real perfectionist. As soon as people taste his wines, everything he makes is spoken for. All organic, he use to make it all from his property when he lived here. But he loves TN and TN loves him. I'm getting into flying powered parachutes, so a nice hay field would be in my sites as well for property. Right now I can fly off the farm here. I'm sure there's still plenty of land still for sale in TN. Although, it seems more and more people are heading that way.
  9. MasterMech

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    Paying NYC's bills is expensive. ;sick

    1260sq ft Ranch on 1 acre, private road, not a "ritzy" neighborhood either. $4K a year after STAR exemption. And that is very low for the area, cross the county line and you'd prolly be in 5-6K for the same property.

    My in-laws have a bi-level in a village (pay village, county and state taxes) on less than .25 acre. Taxes run north of 10K, but the village is kind enough to pick up trash twice a week. :rolleyes:
  10. Swedishchef

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    Holy smokes....that sounds like high taxes!! My property tax is much lower. However, my income tax is MUCH higher than your. For an 80K salary, I fall in the 38% range. LOL.

    But 10K for property tax is out of my league...

    Andrew
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    Be sure to check on how retirement income is taxed. Each state is different.

    Ehouse
  12. webbie

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    What may seem expensive if often not - that is, if you have kids in school.

    The cost for one kid in school these days in about 10K per year, most paid out of property tax, so the simple formula says this is the major problem.......or expense, however you want to look at it!

    My sister moved to Florida where she taught in ugly little trailers out in the parking lot- the cost per kid is still up there!

    Once in a while you can "fool the books" by moving, but sooner of later - even in rural areas- the bills will have to be paid. 10K per year doesn't fall from the sky....although it is true that some rural areas get "school welfare" just like many urban areas do.

    But it's hard for me to see how prop taxes can remain low in any area where there is a balance of population - that is,new families with kids, etc.

    Maybe someone can explain it to me?
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    I am in Nashville this week and if you love music this is the place to be. You walk down the main strip and there are bands and singers playing in each bar (saloon) and they are for the most part very talented. I've seen things that I can't even talk about!
    We are having one hell of a good time. I don't like hot weather so I'll stay in upstate NY.
  14. charly

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    Good point, as my wife will be retiring from the State Police so I believe TN doesn't tax your retirement. A lot of people my wife worked with have moved there. But yes good point. Don't get me wrong, we love the farm here, but I don't want to eventually be able to do nothing but pay the taxes! We figured even putting cows on our farm for the summer and then selling them, we would still only pay for half the taxes. Other farmers I talked to here said the same thing. My friend has 65 acres and that's not enough to pay for the taxes, etc. He has to hay 10,000 acres to make some kind of a living, yet big brother gets to sell us gas a 4 dollars a gallon. Completely one sided! I think in the future you will see all government run farms, and LOL I can only imagine what more you will even be eating besides GMO foods. Keeps the medical people in business:confused:. Sad thing is, kids will be going to the doctors more then the grown ups!
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    NH has no sales tax, but that means the property taxes are generally higher. It goes by town, however- I pay like $3600 a year on 2 acres with a modest house. Next town over is a lot higher
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    This kinda says it all...

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  19. charly

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    I saw that on face book. I said they can go suck on someone else for a while. I want to leave.
  20. ScotO

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    If I could talk my beautiful wife into moving to Alaska, I'd be gone in a heartbeat........Charly, that is ridiculous for taxes.

    Yet another reason to love the dear politicians.....
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  21. f3cbboy

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    NY does suck on taxes. I have a 100' X 100' lot. thats right a whopping 10000 sq ft, less than a quarter acre. 1400 sq ft house that is about 110 yrs old. I pay 185 dollars a week, $9600 per year. I do have two kids in the local school district which i am very pleased with.
  22. charly

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    I met another guy who moved to Tennessee 10 years ago, he has 10 acres, a 3 bedroom , 2 bath ranch and pays 700 dollars a year for his taxes. My feelings are why give all your money away for taxes when you could be doing something for yourself with that money. Those idiots certainly didn't work for it. I was a Arborist for 15 years of my life and am not about to give my hard earned wages away that easy. I'll move. Can you imagine being able to pay for 7-10 years of taxes in another state with money you'd spend here in one year. It's a no brainer for me. You won't have to twist my arm to keep 8000 dollars a year for myself.
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    Seems to me that in general you get what you pay for. I know little about NY, but MN also is known for high taxes: real estate, income, sales taxes. But with those taxes we have good to excellent school systems, good roads, fabulous environment (from ag to forest to lake to wilderness) with a high level of environmental protection, great recreation during all 4 season, yes we have 4 seasons and the cold winters kill most of the bugs, great culture in Minneapolis-St.Paul and out-state centers as well. All of these are expensive. We also have high-tech industries and world-class medical facilities (Mayo Clinic, for example, among others), home to fortune 500 companies (3M among others). There is a reason for this -- well-educated work force and quality of life. In the final analysis, for me it is quite annoying and the epitome of greed for people to want everything good but not pay for it. And if someplace else seems to have it all and low taxes, then someone else, or the environment, is carrying the load, and Mother Nature won't accept abuse for long without changing something in a dramatic way that just might not be too good for evolution gone awry in the form of humans.
  24. charly

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    Jim , here we have no sewage, water or even garbage pick up. A woman from NYC came to a town meeting who's a real estate investor and said our taxes are higher here then NYC! They are making a few of us carry the loses from the floods here 2 years ago, Hurricane Irene. One 78 year old woman asked what she can do if she can't pay her taxes anymore, they told her to go take out a loan from a bank. Plus they only reassessed half of the town and are already collecting the increased tax rate from that part of the town. One guy stood up in the meeting and said that it was illegal to collect any increase until the entire town has been reassessed! They still sent out my new school tax bill! People are going to lose their farms here with such an increase. They went from 50% market value right up to 79% overnight and then going to 100% next year. One persons taxes in town went from 6000 dollars to 14,000 dollars overnight. You just can't do that to people. We're going from 5500 for school and property to about 8000 dollars and next year it goes to 100%. Increasing slowly over a 5-10 year period is one thing but to do this overnight is BS! Another great thing here, if you have 2 different 2000 sq.ft. homes, one is in nice shape the other is a dump,,,,, the dump gets a tax break and the guy who keeps his house nice gets hit with higher taxes. Some people voiced that they wanted to paint their homes but knew they would get hit with higher taxes. That is not right. 2000 sq ft should be taxed as 2000 sq ft. In fact raise the 2000 sq.ft. dump as an eye sore!
  25. JustWood

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    Dispute your taxes. 3 years ago they increased mine a little more than 400% in one shot with no improvements in 4+ years.I went to dispute them with legit info on similar propertys and had them reduced back to where they had been. That told me that NYS was doing "re-ass's" just because they can.
    That being said the western southern tier of NY isn't too bad on taxes and neither is western PA but in my opinion it's not going to stay that way long.
    Currently paying approx. $2600 on 1500 sq ft house and 7000sq ft shop,storage and office.

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