2020 EPA Certified Wood Stove Database

jetsam

Minister of Fire
Dec 12, 2015
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Long Island, NY
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It's possible that some companies are sitting on their 2020 models since the rules don't hit until May and they want to sell through old stock before then.

If not... the industry has known for 5 years plus. The competition has had compliant stoves that they could copy on the market in that time, if their engineers couldn't figure it out. I have little sympathy for a company that will hire marketing but skimp on the engineering!
 
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Grizzerbear

Minister of Fire
Feb 12, 2019
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SW Missoura
Let's be honest; it's most companies of all types.

Why make it right when you can sell a lot of it instead?
Pretty much what I thought....but drug companies do come to mind pretty easy and on a completely more twisted level.
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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Pretty much what I thought....but drug companies do come to mind pretty easy and on a completely more twisted level.
Last time I checked they spent about 19% on marketing and half that on R&D. In the software industry those numbers are typically reversed.
 
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carg3

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Jan 29, 2007
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What's the column furthest to the right on the table, "NSPS compliance"? Can someone explain the Yes vs. No?
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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NSPS 2020 - New Source Compliance Standard. Is the stove 2020 compliant, yes or no?
 

carg3

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Jan 29, 2007
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I'm confused. The Lopi Liberty isn't even listed, and it appears that several others are not compliant, and yet the new Lopis will be available here shortly.
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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There are many stoves not yet listed. Redesign and retesting takes time and not all stoves will continue to be sold past May 2020.
 

carg3

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Jan 29, 2007
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How does the Woodstock Ideal Steel land on the "no" list? And why would companies like United States Stove, (made in China, I believe) spend so much testing stoves with emissions over 3 g/hr.? They had to know they'd fail.
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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How does the Woodstock Ideal Steel land on the "no" list? And why would companies like United States Stove, (made in China, I believe) spend so much testing stoves with emissions over 3 g/hr.? They had to know they'd fail.
Call them and ask.
 

Highbeam

Minister of Fire
Dec 28, 2006
17,040
Mt. Rainier Foothills, WA
How does the Woodstock Ideal Steel land on the "no" list? And why would companies like United States Stove, (made in China, I believe) spend so much testing stoves with emissions over 3 g/hr.? They had to know they'd fail.
The list will be updated many more times right up until the deadline. Some companies are just getting it done sooner than others. Some folks are just wired that way to get requirements checked off the list and some procrastinate. As long as they get it done before the deadline they are good.
 

begreen

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I suspect testing lab time has been at a premium and they are slogging through a long backlog.
 

Squirrel

Burning Hunk
Sep 23, 2014
155
Ontario
While it is nice to see that the little Morso stove I have been using for several years is 2020 approved I can't help but wonder how long it will be before users are tested and licensed. I know for a fact that poor wood or lack of attention, even with an "approved" stove can fill the entire neighbourhood with evil smelling smoke and particulates and ancient smoke dragons run well can cause few emissions while wasting lots of heat.
 

BKVP

Minister of Fire
Guys, in another thread I mentioned how messed up the list is!

You must look under cordwood and crib fuel. EPA created a problem by dividing the list based upon which test method is used.

As for the column 2020 inquiry, these are "yes" stoves tested to 28R or ASTM3053 (Cordwood method).

EPA is developing a new method, 2-3 years away. It will be a FRM, Federal Reference Method.

As of Nov 31, 2019, there were 78 wood stoves that met 2020 requirements. More than half were secondary combustion (non cat), the others used a combustor (catalytic).
 

John Ackerly

Burning Hunk
What's the column furthest to the right on the table, "NSPS compliance"? Can someone explain the Yes vs. No?
List is updated weekly, and sometimes mutliple times a week. You just need to keep checking back. They have started marking new additions to it, so you can scan for stuff that just got added. We are pushing them to add another column that indiciates the test method used. Currently, its hard to tell which stoves are single burn rate, which ones got alternative test methods approved, etc. They are open to do that, but just need to get on it.
 

Sylvatica

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Nov 15, 2017
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Tn
I've got a Quadrafire 4300 step top that I purchased new in 1998 and has never been used. I plan to install it in the near future and was wondering if there would be any issues with these new regs. Thanks.
 

brenndatomu

Minister of Fire
Aug 21, 2013
4,812
NE Ohio
I've got a Quadrafire 4300 step top that I purchased new in 1998 and has never been used. I plan to install it in the near future and was wondering if there would be any issues with these new regs. Thanks.
No problem...just can't buy a new one if it hasn't passed
 

BKVP

Minister of Fire
EPA rules only apply to products in possession of manufacturers and retailers. Once a EPA regulated product is sold, it is no longer a "New Source". NSPS regulation means New Source Performance Standards.

As a consumer, you must use the product in keeping with the Owner and Operators Manual.
 
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