25-EP soot glass and huge flame

[mursebuzz]

Had my first burn yesterday into today. Burning green team oellets with pipe going directly out to a clean out T. Haven't gotten oak installed yet. Stove is on 1-4-1. Ran on 1-1 all night while I was at work. Prob 70 percent of the glass was covered in soot when I got
Home after about 13 hours of burning. Turned stove to 5/6 and flame was rather large. Large as in constantly licking the top of the chamber making the stove on top very very hot to the touch. Heat coming out was great. Just wondering if this was normal operation or if I can maybe tweak something so get more out and less dirty glass. Thanks in advance!!

 

[BUBIBEAR]

Get the OAK,installed , and try running on 3-8 .Are you using a stat. Running on 1-1 is not where you want to run this stove.

 

[mursebuzz]

Get the OAK,installed , and try running on 3-8 .Are you using a stat. Running on 1-1 is not where you want to run this stove.

I am doing the oak in a day or so. Could you compound on why those settings would be beneficial. Also why is 1/1 a bad setting. I'm new to this pellet thing, but I want too get the most out of my stove. Thanks!

 

[mursebuzz]

Also no stat, I have a Honeywell stat I got from am/fm but to run the wire will be nearly
Impossible

 

[Dustin]

Had my first burn yesterday into today. Burning green team oellets with pipe going directly out to a clean out T. Haven't gotten oak installed yet. Stove is on 1-4-1. Ran on 1-1 all night while I was at work. Prob 70 percent of the glass was covered in soot when I got
Home after about 13 hours of burning. Turned stove to 5/6 and flame was rather large. Large as in constantly licking the top of the chamber making the stove on top very very hot to the touch. Heat coming out was great. Just wondering if this was normal operation or if I can maybe tweak something so get more out and less dirty glass. Thanks in advance!!

Stove is on 1-4-1?

Most generally run at 4-4-1 to 6-4-1

 

[mursebuzz]

Well from what I have seen 1-4-1 is the default settings. I'm not even totally sure what those numbers mean.

 

[mithesaint]

There are different default settings for each stove. My CPM is 1-4-1. I don't remember what the EP is supposed to be. The first number is the feed rate. The second number is the amount of combustion air. The third number controls when the room air fan kicks on...I think. I'm still on my first cup of coffee, and things are fuzzy yet!

These stoves are good runners, but don't idle very well. You'll get a much cleaner burn and happier stove if you run it on the higher levels. This time of year that's tricky, because it will be turning off and back on all the time at the higher heat levels. During shoulder season I like to run my CPM around 3-4 or 4-5. The second number really isn't that important, it just controls the room air fan speed. Do you want a little hot air? Turn the fan down. Do you want lots of warm air? Turn the fan up.

High flame? Turn it up to 8-9 and post a pic.

 

[mursebuzz]

That was very helpful, I can post one soon however it's in the 60s here now lol. But I will try to higher levels. My default was 1-4-1 for sure. Im kinda fuzzy too, getting finished a 12 hr night shift.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

Stove is on 1-4-1?

Most generally run at 4-4-1 to 6-4-1

Wrong England Stove Works stove for that setting.

 

[Harvey Schneider]

The second number really isn't that important, it just controls the room air fan speed.

That doesn't sound right to me. On the 25PDVC the three bottom buttons are:
left - low fuel feed increase this if the stove is burning out of fuel at low burn settings. decrease it if the pellets are pileing up at low burn settings
middle - low burn air increase this if the stove is burning dirty at low burn settings. decrease this if the fire burns to quickly and dies out at low burn settings (interacts with LFF)
right - air on temperature (always set to "1") leave it alone

They may function slightly differently on different models, but I belive the basic function stays the same.

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

There are two sets of numbers one is the low burn setup and has three digits.

The second is the stove operational setting and it is 2 digits the first of which is the heat level (fuel feed rate) the second is the room fan level (speed and thus CFM air flow rate through the convection side of the stove).

The 3 digit numbers should be changed only upon consultation with ESW.

 

[mursebuzz]

Alright. Harvey that's exactly what they are. And they are set to 1/4/1. I mean the stove worked well I'm just
Not exactly sure THAT large of a flame should be present.

 

[Harvey Schneider]

Alright. Harvey that's exactly what they are. And they are set to 1/4/1. I mean the stove worked well I'm just
Not exactly sure THAT large of a flame should be present.

I can get some pretty big flames in my 25PDVC when it is set to 9-9 (burn rate-convection). The outside top corners of the stove can get to a 200-300+ deg F. I'm running mine in a concrete walled basement workshop, so I keep the settings maxed out, and let the thermostat put the stove back at idle (burn rate 1) when the temperature setpoint is met. I keep the convection at max in order to get best efficiency out of the heat exchanger. Since it's a workshop, I don't mind the noise.
Glass gets dirty pretty quick. especially if the stove is running at idle for any length of time. Maybe I need to increase the LBA, I haven't experimented with it beyond getting it to the point where it won't burn out at idle.

 

[Dustin]

I can get some pretty big flames in my 25PDVC when it is set to 9-9 (burn rate-convection). The outside top corners of the stove can get to a 200-300+ deg F. I'm running mine in a concrete walled basement workshop, so I keep the settings maxed out, and let the thermostat put the stove back at idle (burn rate 1) when the temperature setpoint is met. I keep the convection at max in order to get best efficiency out of the heat exchanger. Since it's a workshop, I don't mind the noise.
Glass gets dirty pretty quick. especially if the stove is running at idle for any length of time. Maybe I need to increase the LBA, I haven't experimented with it beyond getting it to the point where it won't burn out at idle.

My LBA runs at 5.

With Blazer DF pellets, my glass stays clean running on low. Inside of those stove doesn't get black or anything, seems to stay pretty clean.

Although, I do have my stove connected to a 25 foot 6 inch stainless steel liner (from a wood stove that used to live there) I imagine the massive natural draft that thing has might have sometime to do with it

 

[mithesaint]

That doesn't sound right to me. On the 25PDVC the three bottom buttons are:
left - low fuel feed increase this if the stove is burning out of fuel at low burn settings. decrease it if the pellets are pileing up at low burn settings
middle - low burn air increase this if the stove is burning dirty at low burn settings. decrease this if the fire burns to quickly and dies out at low burn settings (interacts with LFF)
right - air on temperature (always set to "1") leave it alone

They may function slightly differently on different models, but I belive the basic function stays the same.

I'm sorry, I was unclear. In that part of the post that you quoted I was referring to the 2nd set of numbers for the up and down arrows, controlling heat range and fan speed. You're referring to the bottom three numbers. What I was trying to say was that the room air fan speed doesn't make a huge difference.

 

[Harvey Schneider]

I'm sorry, I was unclear. In that part of the post that you quoted I was referring to the 2nd set of numbers for the up and down arrows, controlling heat range and fan speed. You're referring to the bottom three numbers. What I was trying to say was that the room air fan speed doesn't make a huge difference.

Got it. My reading error.

 

[fmsm]

I used to have that stove. It was very temperamental about what I fed it. While Green Teams did work fine for me yours may not like them. Some pellets it just flat out hated and the glass would be black along with a sticky residue on the inside. All in all it was a decent stove, Just required a bit more daily maintenance than I wanted.

 

[mursebuzz]

How do you change the LFF AND THE LBA?? I'd like to adjust them some but can't figure it out. Thanks

 

[fmsm]

Do yourself a favor and take advantage of Englander's great customer service and call them to tweak your stove. They will walk you through it and help you avoid screwing things up.

 

[mursebuzz]

Will do

 

[SmokeyTheBear]

While you are doing that don't be surprised if they give you the please install that oak before playing with the low burn settings speech.

 

[mursebuzz]

I assumed that would part of the convo... Plaster and brick are a damn PAIN.

 

[mursebuzz]

My house isn't tight, it burns really well the way it is lol.

 

[Jason845845]

I assumed that would part of the convo... Plaster and brick are a damn PAIN.

My house isn't tight, it burns really well the way it is lol.

It sucks putting another hole in the house, but if the manual says you need the OAK, you must install it. If it makes you feel any better, my thimble and OAK look like they were installed by a 2 year old

 

[mursebuzz]

That's it set on 1/2 cooking us out working on convection loops to get the bedroom up. Currently 67 back there.