25PAH CLOGGING BURNPOT

[MicheleP]

So I have had my 25PAH englander Room Heater for about 5 years. I love the stove but I have never been able to figure out why the burn pot clogs constantly. It gets filled with a lava-like substance I have to chop out with a putty knife. I have tried every different type of pellet available from super cheap to the most expensive and it makes no difference. Every 2 days I have to shut her down and clean the burn pot. It doesn't matter if the stove is on 1 or 9 for feed rate. I also have the 25ep summers heat on the other end of the house and that uses the same pellets and I could burn trash in there and it almost never has to be cleaned. Installations are different - the 25pah is direct out the exterior wall and the 25ep has a stainless flex pipe inside the chimney that goes up through 2 stories and attic before it discharges. Both stoves are set the same for the bottom 3 control buttons by factory. Any suggestions to make the EP burn without clogging the burnpot?

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[Ssyko]

Have you changed the default settings? (bottom 3 buttons) should be 1 4 1

 

[MicheleP]

Have you changed the default settings? (bottom 3 buttons) should be 1 4 1

Nope that's what they are set at. 1 4 1.

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[Ssyko]

Try bumping your LBA up to 5 and see if that helps. I suspect its needing a plates off cleaning, look behind the ash drawer for the two plates remove the plates vac out, then before you put the plates back on, take a mallet and whack the firewall of the stove above the cleanout openings and see if you have a bunch of soot fall down from above, if so keep whacking until the crap quits falling , vac it out again and reassemble

 

[MicheleP]

Try bumping your LBA up to 5 and see if that helps. I suspect its needing a plates off cleaning, look behind the ash drawer for the two plates remove the plates vac out, then before you put the plates back on, take a mallet and whack the firewall of the stove above the cleanout openings and see if you have a bunch of soot fall down from above, if so keep whacking until the crap quits falling , vac it out again and reassemble

I do that weekly religously.

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[MicheleP]

I do that weekly religously.

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I'll try bumping LBA to 5.

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[MicheleP]

So here is a picture of my stove on 2 for fuel and 3 for room blower....24 hours after a full inside and out cleaning, including banging the inside wall, removing the bottom plates behind the ashpan and vacumming and using a brush to go up inside to cleanout flyash, and cleaning out the exhaust pipe T cleanout. This is the only flame I ever get....clogged burnpot everytime. I'll post a picture of the burnpot in a few since I just shut it down to chisel the junk out of it. I upped the LBA to 5 yesterday and it does not seem to have made any difference at all. I am using stove chow for pellets at the moment but this does this with every pellet I have tried. Inferno, Green Supreme, Still River, even some I can't remeber the name of but that are super pricey at $8 a bag. I will also add my picture of the flame later as apparently I didn't upload it right or something.....

 

[Ssyko]

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Did the bump up help out?

 

[MicheleP]

lol I never actually have ever seen the movie although everyone tells me it was great. No...the bump up to 5 made no difference. Trying to post a picture but I think it has to be approved or something first since I am not seeing it in my media. I'm gonna try a link instead....

 

[MicheleP]

 

[Ssyko]

what does the clean out hook to, Vertical VP or chimney? straight out the wall?

 

[MicheleP]

3" pipe comes out of stove to a T with cleanout, then straight out the wall.

 

[Ssyko]

have you looked out through the pipe.. screen on the termination? could a bird/rodent get in the pipe and make a home?

 

[MicheleP]

have you looked out through the pipe.. screen on the termination? could a bird/rodent get in the pipe and make a home?

Yes both are clear...and it's burned like this since day one. Maybe I need to go verticle outside.

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[Ssyko]

yep that's it Englander requires 36" vertical

from the manual

Additional Venting Information  Do not mix and match components from different pipe manufacturers when assembling your venting system (i.e. Do NOT use venting pipe from one manufacturer and a thimble from another).  We require a minimum vertical rise of 36 in. (3 ft.) of pipe to create natural draft in the system, which helps evacuate smoke from the stove in the event of a power failure or combustion blower failure.  Venting systems 15.0 ft. or shorter may be composed entirely of 3.0 in. pellet pipe; to reduce frictional losses, venting systems longer than 15.0 ft. should be composed of 4.0 in. pellet pipe.

 

[MicheleP]

yep that's it Englander requires 36" vertical

from the manual

Additional Venting Information  Do not mix and match components from different pipe manufacturers when assembling your venting system (i.e. Do NOT use venting pipe from one manufacturer and a thimble from another).  We require a minimum vertical rise of 36 in. (3 ft.) of pipe to create natural draft in the system, which helps evacuate smoke from the stove in the event of a power failure or combustion blower failure.  Venting systems 15.0 ft. or shorter may be composed entirely of 3.0 in. pellet pipe; to reduce frictional losses, venting systems longer than 15.0 ft. should be composed of 4.0 in. pellet pipe.

Yeah that's what I read too. Thanks.

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[Manly]

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What is that on the bottom picture?

 

[Pellet rick]

I don’t have the pah but I do have a pdv . I know that some people on here will disagree with me but I have used stove chow and a number of other hardwood pellets over the years and ended up with the same results as you have to a T . I switched to softwood pellets and now I get absolutely no lava at all with very little ash buildup. My opinion is the the Englander lower end stoves like softwood. Might be worth buying a bag and trying.

 

[Ssyko]

What is that on the bottom picture?

Her burn pot

 

[Ssyko]

I don’t have the pah but I do have a pdv . I know that some people on here will disagree with me but I have used stove chow and a number of other hardwood pellets over the years and ended up with the same results as you have to a T . I switched to softwood pellets and now I get absolutely no lava at all with very little ash buildup. My opinion is the the Englander lower end stoves like softwood. Might be worth buying a bag and trying.

Still should have a minimum 3’ vertical in the VP

 

[Pellet rick]

Agreed

 

[Manly]

Her burn pot

I would have never guessed that was a burn pot if I had not known that was the topic of discussion. I have only owned one pellet stove and I guess I haven't experienced such a situation. All I have ever had to do with my burn pot is rub it with my finger to clear the holes out. Very interesting. Hope the OP gets the burn corrected.

 

[MicheleP]

What is that on the bottom picture?

My half full burn pot. I pulled it out to take the picture and it was on the tile hearth.

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[MicheleP]

I don’t have the pah but I do have a pdv . I know that some people on here will disagree with me but I have used stove chow and a number of other hardwood pellets over the years and ended up with the same results as you have to a T . I switched to softwood pellets and now I get absolutely no lava at all with very little ash buildup. My opinion is the the Englander lower end stoves like softwood. Might be worth buying a bag and trying.

I'll try that although I am sure I've probably used softwood at some point as I have tried every type available around here but knowing specifically to try softwood might make me notice more of a difference.

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[MicheleP]

I would have never guessed that was a burn pot if I had not known that was the topic of discussion. I have only owned one pellet stove and I guess I haven't experienced such a situation. All I have ever had to do with my burn pot is rub it with my finger to clear the holes out. Very interesting. Hope the OP gets the burn corrected.

Yeah I am thinking it's the pipe not going vertical. Now to get it changed....that is a whole other story...lol

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