mass_burner
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but in my case i'm getting 50
i used to do 45 miles each way all highway at a past job, and got from 42-45 mpg in my '04 prius. Now I drive city and highway about 23 miles each way and average 48-51 mpg.
a 2013 Leaf for the woodgeeks
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but in my case i'm getting 50
i used to do 45 miles each way all highway at a past job, and got from 42-45 mpg in my '04 prius. Now I drive city and highway about 23 miles each way and average 48-51 mpg.
mass_burner
Minister of Fire
you know, this EV mileage limitation might be the best reason to buy, "would love to pickup broccoli but i only have 16 miles left".
Yeah, you might only see a 50% reduction in energy cost per mile by going EV.
Of course, you might also be a weird EV hypermiler who can get 120 miles out of the Leaf.
Welcome to the club!
Sounds like a great set of incentives that brought the price down into the teens. A very fun/comfy new car for that kind of cost.
The wife and I are having a lot of fun with our Leaf, now well north of 1000 miles. We have invented a whole new lingo....when we see a Prius, we say: "Oooh look! a gas guzzler!" (when we see any other ICE car we go "Ooh look! Its a gas-wagon monstrosity!")
jebatty
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Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
It seems like GM is barely advertising the volt at all. Could be the margins are too thin to spend a lot of money on ads. Probably pays better to advertise the Escalade and the Silverado,sadly.
In contrast Nissan seems to be pouring incentive cash to move the Leaf (but also not advertising much, except with viral videos).
I think every Leaf the sell (perhaps at a loss) sells a few more by word of mouth. One of my neighbors is close to pulling the trigger. They have already sunk billions in engineering, probably makes sense to pass for now on profit to grow volumes/acceptance in advance of the Leaf Gen 2 in 18 mos (with 2x the range).
I think every Leaf the sell (perhaps at a loss) sells a few more by word of mouth. One of my neighbors is close to pulling the trigger. They have already sunk billions in engineering, probably makes sense to pass for now on profit to grow volumes/acceptance in advance of the Leaf Gen 2 in 18 mos (with 2x the range).
semipro
Minister of Fire
As a gearhead who grew up in adoration of infernal combustion engines and the beautiful noise they make I find now that I get more of a tingle down my spine when I hear the electric whine/growl of an electrically powered vehicle along with the constant push back into the seat I've only experienced otherwise during takeoff in a jet plane.
mass_burner
Minister of Fire
in 50 years "old timers" will sound just like this as the kids are flying silently in their hover crafts.
DBoon
Minister of Fire
semipro
Minister of Fire
I was hoping for a transporter by then, you know beam me to Boston Scotty....
Seriously, the more I think about it though the more I think we should move toward electricity as our standard for conveyance of energy.
Its seems we waste a huge amount of money/resources/safety building and maintaining the infrastructure needed to move chemical energy sources around (e.g., heating oil, motor fuel, etc.).
IMO we'd be better off using those fuels along with renewable sources, nuclear, etc. at centralized power generation facilities.
We should improve our electrical grid and invest in storage technology and methods for getting electrical power to vehicles, trains, trucks, etc. along with buildings and factories.
Seriously, the more I think about it though the more I think we should move toward electricity as our standard for conveyance of energy.
Its seems we waste a huge amount of money/resources/safety building and maintaining the infrastructure needed to move chemical energy sources around (e.g., heating oil, motor fuel, etc.).
IMO we'd be better off using those fuels along with renewable sources, nuclear, etc. at centralized power generation facilities.
We should improve our electrical grid and invest in storage technology and methods for getting electrical power to vehicles, trains, trucks, etc. along with buildings and factories.
Slow1
Minister of Fire
I have to say I've enjoyed this car more so far this week than I recall with any other I have bought. Then again, I'm generally more of a "meet the functional requirements" type on these things... never paid for extras if I could avoid it.
I think by the end of the week we'll have put close to 500 miles on it, not a bad first week but this will be unusual use, not the normal/average.
Kids are good at plugging/unplugging so I think that will fall into our routine, takes about as much time/effort as getting into the car does.
Seasoned Oak
Minister of Fire
Harley is now jumping into the fray with an electric bike. Of course it wont have their signature rumble harley is famous for but a cool whoosh like jet taking off sound. Not something im interested in anymore. I like a lot of framework around me as i age and become more fragile.
It's starting to happen, in Europe.
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/05/24/100-dutch-electric-trains-run-renewable-energy-2018/
Ah, Carma.
Leaf is in the shop....wife was driving in Philly on Thursday, got rear-ended by a guy on a bicycle. Guy was swerving to avoid another car, lost control and put shoulder and head through the rear window and caved in hatchback. He appeared aok, with only minor cuts, and went to the ER for a checkout.
Repair estimate is $2500, with our $500 deductible. Should be good as new in 10 days, since the parts are all 'special order', coming from TN.
FYI, in my financial spreadsheet, I neglected that the insurance co would up our charge significantly relative to the beater it replaced.
In hindsight, maybe justified.
Leaf is in the shop....wife was driving in Philly on Thursday, got rear-ended by a guy on a bicycle. Guy was swerving to avoid another car, lost control and put shoulder and head through the rear window and caved in hatchback. He appeared aok, with only minor cuts, and went to the ER for a checkout.
Repair estimate is $2500, with our $500 deductible. Should be good as new in 10 days, since the parts are all 'special order', coming from TN.
FYI, in my financial spreadsheet, I neglected that the insurance co would up our charge significantly relative to the beater it replaced.
In hindsight, maybe justified.
Might just be a different demographic is being targeted. I have seen full page color ads for the Volt in some mags I read. Still, I think they should target a broader, younger audience. The Volt is really fun to drive and a pleasure to take on trips too.
Let me get this straight....a guy on a bike did 2500 dollars damage to the rear of your vehicle?
True story...my other half backed my truck up the hood of an older Porsche.. The only way I could tell is where it wiped the dirt from the bottom of the bumper. Porsche...different story.
True story...my other half backed my truck up the hood of an older Porsche.. The only way I could tell is where it wiped the dirt from the bottom of the bumper. Porsche...different story.
Slow1
Minister of Fire
Ah, Carma.
Repair estimate is $2500, with our $500 deductible. Should be good as new in 10 days, since the parts are all 'special order', coming from TN.
FYI, in my financial spreadsheet, I neglected that the insurance co would up our charge significantly relative to the beater it replaced.
In hindsight, maybe justified.
If you have contact info for the guy that hit you I'd ask for at least the deductible from him. My roommate in college hit a car (I think it was a toyota) from the side riding his bike - put his butt through the driver's window (scared the heck out of the driver I'm sure). While it was fun to razz him about it, he was responsible for the damage and had to make good on it.
I was surprised that our insurance rate actually dropped a hair (like $60/yr) swapping the Hyundai for the Leaf. I was braced for an increase on the assumption new car would be higher...
Slow1
Minister of Fire
I think the wife said +$600/yr on the insurance.
Auto insurance costs are quite the topic. While I understand much of the business "risk management' side of it, once you add in the regulatory and individual attitudes to the mix the complexity of it all becomes overwhelming rather quickly. Understanding why the cost changes for one vehicle to the other certainly is not intuitive to me. I get that some are 'safer' and some cost more to repair etc, but predicting which way it will go - that is the hard part.
isipwater
Feeling the Heat
I began talking to a Nissan Dealer last week about a leaf. I also live in MA and the final price I would be getting for the Leaf would be between 18-19K, after the $3500 incentive, $7500 fed tax credit, $2500 state rebate. This price included all taxes and other dealer charges but did not include the upgraded charger.
What is your final price after all incentives and extra charges?
isipwater
Feeling the Heat
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