Oh, sorry. I do burn all day, as soon as I up I go down and get it going and it goes all day through night when I load it up full before bed. I do feel a little heat coming up but it's more lukewarm than warm. Maybe I'll post some pics so you can get a better idea of the setup. Thanks again for everyone's help. I don't give up easily and already driving my wife nuts about this, I think I can figure it out somehow. I think I'm up to plan "E" now, which is to put in a ceiling fan in the living room directly above the family room is where the insert is.