clearance

[fishercat]

I had a napolean 1400 last year which requires to be 6 inches from a conbustable wall. I got a PE Summit 1/2 price so I bought it. It says in the manual that it needs 8 inches to a combustable wall. I don't want to move my pipe so can I put a non-combustable wall behind the summit and leave the stove clearence at 6 inches. I live in Canada. Thanks

 

[Highbeam]

How would you feel about a very small offset in the connector pipe to make up for the two inches? The combustible wall clearance is to the first thing burnable. You could remove sheetrock and replace with durock for 1/2" extra. You could replace the wood studs with steel studs for 3.5 more inches. You could possibly shift the support box on the ceiling and then put the offset in the attic if you really like a vertical interior pipe.

Myself, interior offset. Easy to access for cleaning.

 

[fishercat]

I was thinking about the pipe but I was also thinking about putting a black non conbustable piece of board behind it. You can buy them in the hardware store for about 100 dollars. Would that be acceptable? Just a little side note my chimney goes through the wall and up the side of the house. I think the shortest piece of pipe is 6 inches and someone can correct if that isn't right so I could come out 6 more inches but would sooner use the board.

 

[Gunner]

Tell us more about your install

single or double wall pipe?

Where do you see 8" in the manual?

45 deg Corner install is 4"

Flat corner install is 12" at the side 9" at the back(6" with double wall pipe)

Alcove 15" side 9" at the back

(broken link removed to http://www.pacificenergy.net/PDF/manuals/SUMMIT-A%20211105-20.pdf) pg 5

 

[nshif]

I dont know about Canada but just adding a non flamable coating in the US isnt going to cut it. Your Clearance to Combustibles hasnt changed, Youd need a panel spaced off the original wall with something like ceramic spacers an inch thick. I like the offsetting the pipe idea, 2- 45 elbows ought to get you the space you need. Although this may make your floor protection short.

 

[nshif]

Gunner
Are you looking at a Canadian install?

 

[Gunner]

I thought north or south of the border only affected Floor protection with the summits....I could be wrong tho.

 

[fishercat]

I have all double-walled pipe. The board I'm talking about is non combustable and has spacers that put it 1 inch from the wall. In Canada I'm pretty sure its 8 inches from a combustable wall even with the double walled pipe again someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Also I think in Canada as long as its 18 inches on the front it doesn't matter the distance at the back of the stove.Thanks

 

[Gunner]

I have all double-walled pipe. The board I'm talking about is non combustable and has spacers that put it 1 inch from the wall. In Canada I'm pretty sure its 8 inches from a combustable wall even with the double walled pipe again someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Also I think in Canada as long as its 18 inches on the front it doesn't matter the distance at the back of the stove.Thanks

A 45 corner installed summit is 4" all day long in canada that is for sure.

What type of install you have I don't know.

I'm not sure what your talking about "18 in the front doesn't matter in the back" sounds like your talking about floor protection to me.

 

[nshif]

Just looked at my Quad specs, and yes it does seem to only increase the floor specs, but in doing so it also increases the wall specs to attain this.

 

[nshif]

I have all double-walled pipe. The board I'm talking about is non combustable and has spacers that put it 1 inch from the wall. In Canada I'm pretty sure its 8 inches from a combustable wall even with the double walled pipe again someone can correct me if I'm wrong. Also I think in Canada as long as its 18 inches on the front it doesn't matter the distance at the back of the stove.Thanks

I dont think the issue is with the pipe as this sits inboard of the stove body. Can you contact a local building inspector or offical for clarification?

 

[fishercat]

Nshif mentioned it may make my floor protection short that is where the 18 in came from. THe main question is can I put the Summit 6 inches from the non combustable board that has the 1 inch spacer on the wall. So if the board is 1 inch from the wall and the summits pipe location is 1/2 in difference from the neapeon that means that the summit will be 4.5 inches from the non combustable board. Is this okay?

 

[Gunner]

Fisher

There is a reason why I keep asking you what type of install you have... It makes a difference!

corner, flat to wall, alcove, mobile home?

the link to the manual spells it out.

 

[fishercat]

Install is up from the stove and out through my basement wall and up the side of my house. Is this what your looking for? Its not a corner install.

 

[Gunner]

So the stove is installed with a wall only at the back (rear of the stove)

If this is the case then you need 6" to the back of the stove, using doublewall according to the manual

Ember protection in canada for the summit is 8" back and sides 18" on the front.

I do not believe the ember protection bumps out your min clearance to combustibles.... if it did then your 1400 was installed to close because it's requirements are the same as the summit.

 

[BrotherBart]

Install is up from the stove and out through my basement wall and up the side of my house. Is this what your looking for? Its not a corner install.

Finished basement? Cut out the piece of sheetrock and replace it with a sheet of non-combustible stuff like Durock. Behind it has to be concrete or cement block.

 

[fishercat]

According to the PE manual ember protection has no limit at the back of the stove so I think that is why 6 inches is allowed. So with my stove board I am likely ok being only 4.5 inches from the wall. Does this sound right?

 

[Metal]

Instead of Clearance to Combustibles, they should have called it Distance to Combustibles. It doesn't matter what you place between the stove and the combustible, you could put 6 inches of insulation off the space shuttle between it and it would still not pass the 8 inches CTC.

 

[webbie]

Instead of Clearance to Combustibles, they should have called it Distance to Combustibles. It doesn't matter what you place between the stove and the combustible, you could put 6 inches of insulation off the space shuttle between it and it would still not pass the 8 inches CTC.

Hey, metal, did you see the thread about the guy with the ZC fireplace that filled the space with vermiculite? It is the thread that discusses what a house inspector might say.

I know you cannot give a qualified opinion, but just for discussions sake.....

A zero clearance fireplace chimney - 8inch inside 12 outside air cooled pipe.
The guy ran a 6" liner inside the 8 to connect to a stove
and then
filled the space (the air space) between the 8 and 12 with vermiculite......

Everyone agrees this breaks every rule in the book - of course. But just for speculation, would you guess that the outer 12" pipe in this situation would be hotter with the vermiculite - or with it removed and having the normal ventilated air space? To qualify the question further, I am speaking about how hot it might get with a very high stack temp in the 6" liner (which is inside the 8").

 

[fishercat]

Okay I get it . So I think my best bet is to add a 6 inches piece of Double walled pipe to the chimney. That would give me 13 inches of clearance. I have lots of room so the extra bit of clearance really doesn't matter. Do you think that would be okay?Thanks to all who commented and if there are any other ideas let me know.

 

[Gunner]

According to the PE manual ember protection has no limit at the back of the stove so I think that is why 6 inches is allowed. So with my stove board I am likely ok being only 4.5 inches from the wall. Does this sound right?

No it does not sound right.

The CTC is 6"

The PE manual states that there must be 18" of floor protection on the firing side and 8" on the other sides. That being said with a straight hearth installation (only a wall at the rear of the stove) the min clearance to combustibles is 6". The question is Does the 8" requirement of ember protection at the rear of the override the 6" min to combustibles...I don't think so, but I am not positive.

Where did you buy the stove?

I suggest you call the dealer

 

[fishercat]

Just to update I put the 6 in piece of Double-walled pipe on to my chimney. Seems to work good and there is about 11 inches to the wall.

 

[Gunner]

Do you still have 18" on the front now that you pulled the stove out from the wall?

What is the flooring in the stove room?

What are you using as ember protection under the stove? Tile?


Glad you got it figured out.

Enjoy the Summit.


PS How long did you have the 1400 and why the switch?

 

[begreen]

Fishercat has a heat circulation problem. Room is overheating with the Napoleon, but the upstairs is cold. He got the deal of the century on the Summit and couldn't pass it up (nor would I). But the issue will be now how to deal with a room that is even hotter than before unless the circulation issue is taken care of.

Fishercat, did you make any progress with the heat circulation?

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/4213/
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/4293/

 

[Gunner]

I may have a solution.

Take the money you saved and buy some chimney. Install the summit on the main floor and leave the 1400 in the basement. Run the 1400 in the spring and fall the go "tandem" in the winter