Englander 17-VL efficiency
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Not sure about the NC-13 or the 17VL but I emailed once about the NC30 and was told the efficiency was 72%. Emissions is 1.63 grams.
Dont get hung up on efficiency as a few percent efficiency your not going to notice and the efficiency number is usually for a flue measurement rather than how much heat is actually getting out into your room. Some stoves radiate heat much better than others. Some heavier stoves with more mass store heat and let it off later.
Dont get hung up on efficiency as a few percent efficiency your not going to notice and the efficiency number is usually for a flue measurement rather than how much heat is actually getting out into your room. Some stoves radiate heat much better than others. Some heavier stoves with more mass store heat and let it off later.
just since you asked though here are the numbers from when the unit was tested (EPA method 28 and epa method 5G3) the unit came in at 12,100 to 19,600 BTU/HR at 4.3 GPH emmissions , as for the rated efficiency , we selected to take "default" which means that we did not have an "actual" rating for the listing but with default it must rate at least at 63% for a non-cat, though it would be higher had we paid the extra money to have it listed that way. i suspect its actual would be in the low 70's had it been tested that way but without paying for that test we cannot list it as such.
Very cool to see a manufacturer's rep on this site. Is there a particular brand of stove pipe and chimney you recommend to use with the 17-VL, or are they pretty much all the same?
we do a lot of co-advertising with Simpson Duravent so we ususally direct folks to them , however that said there are many other companies out there which make quality flue systems that will work just fine with our products.
opps i just noticed you had asked about the numbers on the 13-nc as well( didnt read the IP just the title when i posted the firest time)
the 13-ncmh (which is the current 13-nc series model) tested at 11,579 - 32,017 BTU/HR at 2.4 GPH again rated at default of 63% using the methods 28 and Method 5H.
opps i just noticed you had asked about the numbers on the 13-nc as well( didnt read the IP just the title when i posted the firest time)
the 13-ncmh (which is the current 13-nc series model) tested at 11,579 - 32,017 BTU/HR at 2.4 GPH again rated at default of 63% using the methods 28 and Method 5H.
Mike, a few more questions about the 17-VL:
1. Why does your company find it necessary to sell this model under 3 different brand names?
2. Are any rear or side heat shields available for it?
3. I looked in its manual but did not see any guidance about reducing rear CTC with a wall heat shield. Is this approved?
4. I'm not aware of any other Washington certified stove that costs less - are you? If not, what compromises did you make to achieve your price point? Safety, durability, reliability, ease of use, etc?
5. Have you ever heard of anyone combining your least expensive stove with the most expensive chimney, which I am guessing would be ICC Excel?
1. Why does your company find it necessary to sell this model under 3 different brand names?
2. Are any rear or side heat shields available for it?
3. I looked in its manual but did not see any guidance about reducing rear CTC with a wall heat shield. Is this approved?
4. I'm not aware of any other Washington certified stove that costs less - are you? If not, what compromises did you make to achieve your price point? Safety, durability, reliability, ease of use, etc?
5. Have you ever heard of anyone combining your least expensive stove with the most expensive chimney, which I am guessing would be ICC Excel?
as for the chimney question , im sure its been done before as many installs are done to a flue system which may have already been installed when the stove was bopught (to replace another stove for instance. no reason to not do that just based on the price of the flue system
I bought an NC30 a year about a year ago after owning several "high end" stoves. I see no place where a compromise in quality was made. The stove is a tank and built to last. The units are built out of what looks like prepunched and prebent plate steel sections. Just imagine an assembly line of stoves being made in bulk.
The real question is why you would spend double or triple the cost on a plate steel stove from a different manufacturer? They are all made with about the same amount of steel and material cost, all have the same labor costs, all have the same insurance and other business costs. Many are also made in america and shipping costs are similar.
Perhaps a choice was made to sell a whole lot of low profit stoves instead of a small number of high profit stoves.
The real question is why you would spend double or triple the cost on a plate steel stove from a different manufacturer? They are all made with about the same amount of steel and material cost, all have the same labor costs, all have the same insurance and other business costs. Many are also made in america and shipping costs are similar.
Perhaps a choice was made to sell a whole lot of low profit stoves instead of a small number of high profit stoves.
Yeah Mike, where are the compromises? I have been looking for them on my 30-NC since 2006. Ya must have hidden them well.
Yeah Mike, where are the compromises? I have been looking for them on my 30-NC since 2006. Ya must have hidden them well.
Must be the subpar customer service. Like that grumpy sales guy who rather surfs on the internet than helps his customers.
Some of the listed clearances are to the "Chimney Connector". Does this imply that clearances to the chimney itself might be different? I'm asking because the crown molding at the ceiling projects from the wall surface. Does one need to take moldings such as baseboard, chair rail and crown into account when measuring CTC?
What is the size of the box in which the unit ships?
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That far away from the stove the measurements are to the pipe. Single wall connector pipe requires 18" clearance to the wall. Double wall requires 6" to the wall.
OK, but does "wall" mean the drywall, or is the measurement taken from the moldings which are mounted upon, and project from, the drywall?
Makes some sense, but consider that baseboard is down near the floor where maybe temperatures are a little lower. And it is no thicker than 3/4". So maybe it can safely be ignored?
Now crown molding projects maybe 2" from the wall, but it's so high up away from the firebox that maybe it too can be safely ignored? Am I being reasonable?
Put the thing as far from the wall as the specs say and light it.
The box it comes in is white and has a label on it. Don't know what size it is. Maybe two inches bigger than the stove.
The box it comes in is white and has a label on it. Don't know what size it is. Maybe two inches bigger than the stove.
I noticed that some ceiling support boxes must project down from the ceiling at least as far as small crown molding projects from the ceiling. I'll bet the protection of that kind of ceiling support box means that small crown molding would be protected and can be safely ignored. I mean, the box itself is right up against combustibles, right?
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