Englander 25-pdv

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Docky39

New Member
Jan 6, 2022
12
Pa
Hi I've had an Englander for about two seasons and every year it seems like I have to re dial and go through 10 bags to figure how she's gonna run this year. I just got done ready all Mike of Englander interactions and advice and I still have problems. My current problems are as followed:
Can't get/keep consistent flame.
Pellet consumption up compared to heat output
Overflowing firepot
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I wake up and the burn pot is pouring over but just ash and at the bottom it's hard solidified ash.
My current settings are heat range 3-4, Air blower 9
I just put my lower 3 buttons back to 6,4,1 but have spent the past two seasons clawing through varies lower 3 settings. Included is a picture of my flame. Any advise would be much appreciated.
 

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ericofmaine

Feeling the Heat
Feb 8, 2012
259
Southern Maine
That flame looks pretty lazy to me. I suspect you have an air leak somewhere or perhaps your combustion motor is dirty or weak. Have you tried the dollar bill test? When was the last time you cleaned it, THOROUGHLY? The leaf blower trick does wonders on helping keep it clean.

Eric
 

Docky39

New Member
Jan 6, 2022
12
Pa
That flame looks pretty lazy to me. I suspect you have an air leak somewhere or perhaps your combustion motor is dirty or weak. Have you tried the dollar bill test? When was the last time you cleaned it, THOROUGHLY? The leaf blower trick does wonders on helping keep it clean.

Eric
Last year is when I used the leaf blower to clean out the entire unit before I put it in my basement. I have no tried the dollar bill test and quite frankly I forget what it is lol. But I will check the motors in the back. When I put it 3 and below the pellets seem to burn to complete ash but still in the burn pot.
 

Docky39

New Member
Jan 6, 2022
12
Pa
So this was after 8 hours of a burn. All seals are good and check. My top settings were 3 & 9. My bottom three settings where
6,6,1.

Anyway I could have this burning better or more efficiently to not have such a build up?
That flame looks pretty lazy to me. I suspect you have an air leak somewhere or perhaps your combustion motor is dirty or weak. Have you tried the dollar bill test? When was the last time you cleaned it, THOROUGHLY? The leaf blower trick does wonders on helping keep it clean.

Eric

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ericofmaine

Feeling the Heat
Feb 8, 2012
259
Southern Maine
That still looks pretty lazy. When was the last time you cleaned the stove? When I say clean, I mean thoroughly. I have the same stove and I can go days and not get that much buildup. I use the leaf blower trick at least 3 times a year (about after every ton). I also did the burn pot mod. The last thing I can think of is what are you burning for pellets? I know the stove says hardwood only, but it really likes a blend or straight softwood better.

Eric
 

Docky39

New Member
Jan 6, 2022
12
Pa
That still looks pretty lazy. When was the last time you cleaned the stove? When I say clean, I mean thoroughly. I have the same stove and I can go days and not get that much buildup. I use the leaf blower trick at least 3 times a year (about after every ton). I also did the burn pot mod. The last thing I can think of is what are you burning for pellets? I know the stove says hardwood only, but it really likes a blend or straight softwood better.

Eric
I run dry creek wood pellets through it. I don't leaf blower mine after every ton because it's in my finished basement. I do tho fine tooth brush clean it after every 2 days usually 3-4 bags of pellets. Just now I'm home and checked it and with it running 3,9 and 5,7,1 I had just as much build up.

What is the burn pot mod?

Thank you very much for all the information tho!
 

ericofmaine

Feeling the Heat
Feb 8, 2012
259
Southern Maine
The leaf blower goes on the exhaust. You need one that can operate as a vacuum, too. Do a search here to see it in action. It really helps deep clean the innards of the stove. Cleaning just the inside as you describe isn't going to cut it.

The burn pot mod is near the bottom of page 1 of this post: https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/englander-25-pvcd-need-help-please.180451/

Also, have you blocked off the two holes on the side of the burn pt area? That seems to help some, too. I just stuffed some steel wool in there but others have used electrical caps.

Eric
 

Docky39

New Member
Jan 6, 2022
12
Pa
The leaf blower goes on the exhaust. You need one that can operate as a vacuum, too. Do a search here to see it in action. It really helps deep clean the innards of the stove. Cleaning just the inside as you describe isn't going to cut it.

The burn pot mod is near the bottom of page 1 of this post: https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/englander-25-pvcd-need-help-please.180451/

Also, have you blocked off the two holes on the side of the burn pt area? That seems to help some, too. I just stuffed some steel wool in there but others have used electrical caps.

Eric
Copy. So do you pull the stove off of the vent and blow straight through or just stick it straight in the stove. I was doing some reading about the steel wool method. I assume you stick in the bottom two holes below the burn pot correct?
 

ericofmaine

Feeling the Heat
Feb 8, 2012
259
Southern Maine
Above or below, doesn't matter really, just trying to block the holes. As for the Leaf blower, watch this:



Eric
 
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Docky39

New Member
Jan 6, 2022
12
Pa
Above or below, doesn't matter really, just trying to block the holes. As for the Leaf blower, watch this:



Eric

quick question here uh since i cannot watch the video at my work. i take it you suck it out with the leaf blower. Would i be able to blow through the stove out my exhaust pipe to have the same effect
 

Washed-Up

Minister of Fire
Nov 5, 2011
1,035
Kananaskis,Alberta, Canada
If you blow through, you’ll completely cover the inside of your house with ash….it’s happened to a few here by accident
 
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gfreek

Minister of Fire
Nov 5, 2010
1,582
WNYS
Yup that flame looks weak as stated above...I'll chime in here and say clean both pipe and stove, if you can attach the blower like the video.. It can make a mess outside so beware..Be sure you get any hidden passages in the stove exhaust path
 

johneh

Minister of Fire
Dec 19, 2009
4,376
Eastern Ontario
Maybe obvious to some but you suck out the stove and chimney
together and attach the leaf blower so it sucks out at the chimney termination
point (outside of the house) Open the door on the stove important
 

Docky39

New Member
Jan 6, 2022
12
Pa
Thanks guys have to go get a leaf blower that has the suction lol. Will update tomorrow after I do the LBT and plug the holes with a plate mod.

Once again I appreciate it alot!
 

Docky39

New Member
Jan 6, 2022
12
Pa
Update here everyone:

Today I did he LBT with the stove and surprisingly it wasn't as dirty and some of these youtube videos post. I ended up blocking off both bottom holes and the holes in the burn plate with #00 steel wool. Seemed to be running cleaner but will update after the 8 hour mark.
 

Docky39

New Member
Jan 6, 2022
12
Pa
So here is after 8 hours. The setting 2,9 lower 3 settings are 4,4,1. Doesn't keep a constant flame tho but seems ash is better and heat output better.

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ericofmaine

Feeling the Heat
Feb 8, 2012
259
Southern Maine
Sorry for the late reply, I usually only check during the day… it looks like you’re on the right path. You can play around with your LFF to get a consistent flame, at least on low settings.

Eric