Englander PDV25 Automatic On/Off ?

[Burner12]

Want the stove, will buy the stove, just tell me how I can rig it to an automatic on off time cycle?

Can I use a plug in manual timer or is there a wireless on/off thermostat for it? If the Englander can't do this is there any under 1500sq ft inexpensive appliance that would?

Thanks

 

[jtakeman]

I think the manual plug in timer is a no no. It would shut the power off to the stove while the stove is running. You might get smoke in your house.

Englander has the PU-DTSTAT Wall Thermostat (1 lb. each)
$56.85
Digital Wall Thermostat. Can be used on all of our pellet units, as well as our multi-fuel unit.
Mercury-Free!
Comes with proprietary instructions for installing on our units.
NOTE: Does NOT turn pellet stove On & Off, it does increase or decrease the pellet feed rate as needed.
EXCEPTION: For our multi-fuel model and our pellet models with "EP" in model number, will turn entire unit on & off as needed.


Check here for link: http://www.englanderstoves.com/store/25-PDV_Parts.html#74

hope this helps
Jay

 

[stoveguy2esw]

the 25-pdv does not have the capability to run in an "on-off" mode, and installing a plug timer is a big no-no as when it cuts power the unit will not have the ability to shut down normally and this can result in smoke release under some conditions

 

[Burner12]

I realy would like the on/off mode. I run another pellet stove with a great draft and with frequent poweroutages no smoke on "sudden off". The 25-pdv would be hooked up to a back up power inverter - puresign wave as my other stove is. Heating a basement at off hours due to my erratic work schedule.

Points: Forget about warranty, etc. Assuming a good draft on shut off.

1. If I run it on an on/off mechanical timer will that damage the circuit board?

2. Check with my Electronic Eng son to see if there is some way to remote switch via hard wire the control board on/off led.

thanks

 

[jtakeman]

If you really need the on/off feature. Buy a stove that can do that. Like a breckwell or what ever. There are many that will do this. Why try to re-Engineer a stove when all you need to do is purchase the right stove that does it. It will save many head aches in the long run. May have to spend a little but you will get the feature you need.

Trust Mike's word. He works for Englander Stoves. It's a no no

jay

 

[mnkywrnch]

good call jtakeman always buy whats best for your situation

 

[natnyer]

Pay 5 Grand and get a stove that can do that.If not buy a stove for heat at about1500 bucks and start it yourself. No brainer.

 

[jtakeman]

Pay 5 Grand and get a stove that can do that.If not buy a stove for heat at about1500 bucks and start it yourself. No brainer.

Don't know where you get $5000.00 from, I only paid $1600.00 for my BigE and it would do that. Even if it was $300.00 to $500.00 more, Still would be worth the BS to get it and not have to play around trying to make something work!

just my 2
jay

 

[phil san]

No the creoste will not build up. No creosote with pellet stoves just fly ash! Running another pellet all season this way and no issues.
I just want an inexpensive stove for some additional heat in the cellar. Want it to go on every other day in the middle of the night for a few hours. The closet I can get for a price is the Quad Santafe for $1600. No feed rate adjustment and just 3 blower speeds.
Right now I have like 3 days to get the Eng 25 for $700 so its a good deal and I've read this forum for years, the stove works.
I just can't see how I can't rig up an on off switch. Find a relay point on the board or at the extreme Like maybe take the whole contol board, mount to an easy location switch. This is like a hobby not serious heat for a living area.

 

[BrotherBart]

Seven hundred bucks would pay for the electricity for a $40 electric space heater on a timer coming on every other night for a while for a very long time. With no cost for pellets and no chimney cost or maintenance.

 

[stoveguy2esw]

Pay 5 Grand and get a stove that can do that.If not buy a stove for heat at about1500 bucks and start it yourself. No brainer.

actually our 10-cpm multi fuel and 25-ep series stoves have on off t-stat feature, the pdv and pdvc are an older (but time tested) design the biggest issue is potential for a fouled igniter , with the bottom feed setup ash not cleared from previous fires can be pushed by incoming pellets during startup into the igniter opening thus restricting the flow of ignition air. this will result in failed starts if left unattended, the stoves i mentioned above are top feed models and in the case of the 10 cpm , it has an air pump which is needed to ignite corn, we use this same pump in short bursts to blow clear the igniter while in operation to ensure the igniter doesnt get fouled. FWIW both of these units retail at less than half the 5 grand figure mentioned above

 

[stoveguy2esw]

No the creoste will not build up. No creosote with pellet stoves just fly ash! Running another pellet all season this way and no issues.
I just want an inexpensive stove for some additional heat in the cellar. Want it to go on every other day in the middle of the night for a few hours. The closet I can get for a price is the Quad Santafe for $1600. No feed rate adjustment and just 3 blower speeds.
Right now I have like 3 days to get the Eng 25 for $700 so its a good deal and I've read this forum for years, the stove works.
I just can't see how I can't rig up an on off switch. Find a relay point on the board or at the extreme Like maybe take the whole contol board, mount to an easy location switch. This is like a hobby not serious heat for a living area.

the control board is fully digital , there are no relays at all. FWIW the only way it could be done is to remotely press the on and off buttons as stated above , unless you are VERY good with digital circuitry , even then im not sure it can be done, and a couple hundred bucks a shot control boards arent exactly a "well back to the drawing board" type component. if the on off setup is the "do all end all" feature you require , look for a stove that has it built in , be it mine or breckwell, or another brand. it not as easy to retro somthing as it used to be in the days of solid state controls.

 

[fluemasterjr]

No the creoste will not build up. No creosote with pellet stoves just fly ash! Running another pellet all season this way and no issues.
I just want an inexpensive stove for some additional heat in the cellar. Want it to go on every other day in the middle of the night for a few hours. The closet I can get for a price is the Quad Santafe for $1600. No feed rate adjustment and just 3 blower speeds.
Right now I have like 3 days to get the Eng 25 for $700 so its a good deal and I've read this forum for years, the stove works.
I just can't see how I can't rig up an on off switch. Find a relay point on the board or at the extreme Like maybe take the whole contol board, mount to an easy location switch. This is like a hobby not serious heat for a living area.

No creosote build up with pellets stoves? creosote is formed when there is incomplete combustion. Do to improper flame hight, improper venting, lack of maintenance/ cleaning. If you have any of these you can get creosote buildup and most likely will. I just started doing the end of the seasons cleanings at work and have a costumer that refuses to clean his stove. All he will do is clean out the fire pot and ash pan. Wont remove the baffle plate or pull the rods to clean the heat exchanger or wash the glass this maybe would take him 5 minuets a week to do it right. well the stove stopped working after burning 3 tons of pellets. I have never seen so much creosote in a pellet stove i had to scrape it out with a screw driver and wire brush and beat the baffles out with a hammer this added about an hour to my cleaning time. A pellet stove is only as good as its operator!! the quad santa fe does have an adjustable feed rate it is located in the hopper and on the back of the stove it has a high med and low setting witch controls the heat out put and the blower speed.

 

[Dr_Drum]

My understanding is that creosote forms when the stack gasses fall below 250 degrees. The creosote will condense out of the smoke and collect inside the stack. It's always present in the smoke, regardless of how well the unit is operating. It's a natural byproduct of the burning process. Of course, as said, a better running stove will probably have less creosote particulate in the smoke to begin with. Either way, run'em HOT!

Here's a good link: https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/articles/creosote_from_wood_burning_causes_and_solutions
Mike -

 

[fluemasterjr]

Dr-Drum That is a good link! You are correct that there is always creosote present in smoke a proper running clean stove does have less smoke and there for less creosote.