EPA Tightening Regs...even on Pellet Stoves

[Johnny_Fiv3]

Stolen link from Hearth Industry Section:

http://www2.epa.gov/residential-woo...ary-requirements-woodstoves-and-pellet-stoves

• Pellet stoves are similar in external appearance to woodstoves but burn a fuel made of ground, dried wood and other biomass wastes that are compressed to form pellets. Owners pour pellets into a hopper, which feeds the pellets automatically into the stove. Unlike woodstoves, most pellet stoves need electricity to operate. EPA estimates that about 88,000 pellet stoves will be sold this year.
  
  • Most pellet stoves were exempt from EPA’s NSPS for Residential Wood Heaters, which was issued in 1988. Under today’s final rule, all pellet stoves will have to meet the same emission limits as for woodstoves, in the same two-step process.

 

[tiger]

As much as I dislike any most regulation, I'd like to think that pellet stoves are reasonably clean, I wonder if there's been any testing done of any kind. 2.0 grams... I have no idea if that's a lot or not. It would be heartwarming as much as hearthwarming, to know we're "doing the right thing".

 

[pageyjim]

(broken link removed to http://www.amfmenergy.com/55trpep--epa-certified-pellet-stove---2000552000.html)

Super-Clean Burn (1.43 grams/hr.) makes it one of the cleanest E.P.A. pellet stoves!

Above is what I have so some testing is being done. It seems to me that it ought to be tied in with the btu rating somehow.

 

[Johnny_Fiv3]

Since you can't burn crib wood in a pellet stove, I am curious as to what standard of pellet will be used for this testing.

 

[velvetfoot]

What they all need are catalytic converters.
Just kidding....or am I.

 

[stoveguy2esw]

any EPA certified pellet stove (all of our current models are) does get tested for emmissions just like the wood stoves are.

 

[Johnny_Fiv3]

Right, but you did that because you wanted to, not because you had to. Now, all manufacturers will have to have their stoves tested and certified. It's no longer a bragging right, it's a requirement.

 

[Johnny_Fiv3]

Also a question I have is if it's classified as a Multi-Fuel device, will it just need to be certified with wood material pellets or with other fuels as well?

 

[Mysticenchantment]

Ack. Everything works great until the government makes it "better" for us. Mine is supposed to me 0.67 grams/hour. Grams of what?

 

[BrotherBart]

Grams of what?

Particulate matter.

For the record the last time, in 1988, the government "made it better" stoves started heating better on less wood and less crapping up of chimneys. Not what they were looking to do, but it happened.

 

[SidecarFlip]

Particulate matter.

For the record the last time, in 1988, the government "made it better" stoves started heating better on less wood and less crapping up of chimneys. Not what they were looking to do, but it happened.

Must have been about the time I quit burning railroad ties in the wood furnace for heat.

 

[tiger]

For the record the last time, in 1988, the government "made it better" stoves

Which was when I picked up a no-longer-qualifies "Embermaster" insert for next to nothing. And I probably overpaid for it. Hey, it was better than an open fireplace... barely.

 

[SidecarFlip]

Particulate matter.

For the record the last time, in 1988, the government "made it better" stoves started heating better on less wood and less crapping up of chimneys. Not what they were looking to do, but it happened.

Sort of like the government 'making it better' with ethanol.

 

[Randy Acton]

What they all need are catalytic converters.
Just kidding....or am I.

IMHO a CAT is nothing more than a cheat for emissions and a properly designed stove (cord wood or pellet) has no need for one. A CAT is designed to burn gases at a lower temp than normal. So they help the environment for a smoldering fire but overall decrease the amount of available heat you pump in to your house.

 

[SidecarFlip]

IMHO a CAT is nothing more than a cheat for emissions and a properly designed stove (cord wood or pellet) has no need for one. A CAT is designed to burn gases at a lower temp than normal. So they help the environment for a smoldering fire but overall decrease the amount of available heat you pump in to your house.

Thats news to me. From my experience a palladium catalytic substrate produces heat, not reduces heat. A catalytic substrate in a wood fired appliance burns off particulates in the form of smoke, that produces heat that would be lost up the chimmney in the form or particulates (visible smoke).

Pellet stoves produce visible particulates on start up prior to obtaining gasification above the fuel bed. Of course that gasification depends on what condition the stove is in, if the CA ratio is correct and the venting is unobstructed.

IOW, a poorly maintained stove (of any brand or configuration) is a dirty stove and produces excess particulates.

 

[Bioburner]

Going to have to ban beans, broccoli and cabbage. All produce major amounts of hot gas in my house. Surprised California hasn't figured out how to funnel all the gas produced by milk cows as they say they are a major producer of methane. Just need to shut the windows on the Whitehouse as it is already got a dome to help trap all the hot air and gas emissions from all the BS. Like I said, HELP, as there is to much for it contain.

 

[bags]

Just need to shut the windows on the Whitehouse as it is already got a dome to help trap all the hot air and gas emissions from all the BS.

LOL! That's great and a good thought about the design. Maybe the original forefathers knew things would get goofy and had much insight into the design.

 

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[BrotherBart]

He is full of it on the "full on", no control, comment for wood stoves at the very least.

 

[woodmakesheat]

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Interesting, the guy starts off by stating the new regulations are generally "no big deal", then proceeds to make it seem like a big deal using typical "gubmint make me do stuff" language. The biggest issue appears to be with outdoor wood boilers.

any EPA certified pellet stove (all of our current models are) does get tested for emmissions just like the wood stoves are.

Yes, thanks Englander - my pellet stove already meets 2020 limits and my wood stove is close enough

The most obvious exception is Harman who had avoided EPA certification for whatever reason, though it appears that they are busy in that regard as the P68 is now recently added to the list of approved stoves (was not on Nov, 2014 list, is now on Feb, 2015). http://www2.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2013-08/documents/certifiedwood.pdf

 

[SidecarFlip]

He is full of it on the "full on", no control, comment for wood stoves at the very least.

Thanks Obama. You gotta love it. No worry for me. I'm clean as the driven snow....

With pellets spiraling up, wonder with the EPA regs are on corn?

 

[BrotherBart]

If you want to thank somebody thank the seven states that sued the EPA to force them to implement new regs. The EPA had been holding off for years.

 

[bholler]

Thanks Obama. You gotta love it. No worry for me. I'm clean as the driven snow....
With pellets spiraling up, wonder with the EPA regs are on corn?

These "new" regs where planned long before he took office and the last set of regs made better stoves very few have a valid argument against that. And i am sure that these new regs (after the bugs are worked out of the new stoves) will do the same.

 

[SidecarFlip]

I'm not sure of anything (when it comes to the government). What happened to common sense anyway? I don't need the government wiping my posterior, I can handle that myself.

There is way too much regulation in this country today (as evidenced by my 1200 page latest edition of the Federal Motor Carriers Rules and Regulations )manual that incidentially, updates every 3 months.

What we have in this country today is opressive and counterproductive regulation. Look around, it's easy to see.

Candidly, I get tired of it. By 'he', you must mean Obama. Hr's just the head man. Little head at that.

 

[SidecarFlip]

Must be 7 liberal states Bart....

I see my state (Michigan) is totally ignoring the proposed mandates., but the we aren't mostly liberal (with the exception of maybe An Arbor and Grand Rapids.