Feeder pot replacement on 25-PDV

[kburns23]

Does anyone have instructions on how to replace the feeder pot on my Englander 25-PDV?

I noticed that the bottom tube where I chip off the carbon has broken so I know what must be done.

I have a donor stove I pulled a good feeder pot off from but would like some instructions. There seems to be a lot of black silicone where the feeder pot meets the hopper and the back of the firebox.

I'm guessing I'll need a hopper flange gasket (PU-HFG) and a tube of high temp silicone as well as the normal annual maintenance gaskets.

I'll call Englander directly for instructions if I have to but I figured Mike used to post here often and this may be a quicker way.

Thanks in advance for any information!

 

[hobby8691]

Does anyone have instructions on how to replace the feeder pot on my Englander 25-PDV?

I noticed that the bottom tube where I chip off the carbon has broken so I know what must be done.

I have a donor stove I pulled a good feeder pot off from but would like some instructions. There seems to be a lot of black silicone where the feeder pot meets the hopper and the back of the firebox.

I'm guessing I'll need a hopper flange gasket (PU-HFG) and a tube of high temp silicone as well as the normal annual maintenance gaskets.

I'll call Englander directly for instructions if I have to but I figured Mike used to post here often and this may be a quicker way.

Thanks in advance for any information!

I'm in the process of doing the same job for my 25PDV, my bottom tube also wore out so much there was a hole in the casting. Your list of supplies is correct. You will need to silicone the PU-HFG to the top of the feeder flange and let it set so when you place the hopper on top, it won't move the gasket. Also check your hopper seams, they are covered with aluminum tape to prevent air leaks. Use a drop light to see if any light leaks through the seams, if so you must get some alum. tape (Home Depot has it) and recoat the seams. The hopper sits on top of the hopper gasket with no silicone, the pressure of the hopper seals to the hopper gasket. Hope this helps. Hobby

 

[hobby8691]

Does anyone have instructions on how to replace the feeder pot on my Englander 25-PDV?

I noticed that the bottom tube where I chip off the carbon has broken so I know what must be done.

I have a donor stove I pulled a good feeder pot off from but would like some instructions. There seems to be a lot of black silicone where the feeder pot meets the hopper and the back of the firebox.

I'm guessing I'll need a hopper flange gasket (PU-HFG) and a tube of high temp silicone as well as the normal annual maintenance gaskets.

I'll call Englander directly for instructions if I have to but I figured Mike used to post here often and this may be a quicker way.

Thanks in advance for any information!

I'm in the process of doing the same job for my 25PDV, my bottom tube also wore out so much there was a hole in the casting. Your list of supplies is correct. You will need to silicone the PU-HFG to the top of the feeder flange and let it set so when you place the hopper on top, it won't move the gasket. Also check your hopper seams, they are covered with aluminum tape to prevent air leaks. Use a drop light to see if any light leaks through the seams, if so you must get some alum. tape (Home Depot has it) and recoat the seams. The hopper sits on top of the hopper gasket with no silicone, the pressure of the hopper seals to the hopper gasket. Hope this helps. Hobby

One other thing, there is a bracket that is silicone-glued to the bottom of the hopper. It holds your vacuum switch and provides a flat gasket flange for the hopper gasket. If this did not come off when you removed the hopper, I would leave it alone, however, if it did come loose, you should remove all the silicone and re-apply a new coat and let dry before you try installing the hopper. Hobby

 

[kburns23]

Very helpful, Hobby. Thank you.

I'll order the gasket and have at it this weekend.

At least we can enjoy some 70 degree weather today

 

[hobby8691]

Very helpful, Hobby. Thank you.

I'll order the gasket and have at it this weekend.

At least we can enjoy some 70 degree weather today

One other gasket you will need is the one that goes on the feeder tube end that butts up to front wall of the stove. My gasket came with the feeder, but you said you have one from another stove so you will need that gasket as well, two gaskets total for the feeder assembly.

 

[kburns23]

One other gasket you will need is the one that goes on the feeder tube end that butts up to front wall of the stove. My gasket came with the feeder, but you said you have one from another stove so you will need that gasket as well, two gaskets total for the feeder assembly.

Interesting. The donor stove didn't seem to have this gasket and I can't find it on their website.

Could it just be another burn pot gasket? Should be the same I'd think.

I better call Englander tomorrow and find out.

Thanks again.

 

[hobby8691]

Interesting. The donor stove didn't seem to have this gasket and I can't find it on their website.

Could it just be another burn pot gasket? Should be the same I'd think.

I better call Englander tomorrow and find out.

Thanks again.

The gasket is similar to the burn pot gasket but it is about 1/2 - 5/8 inch thick. Englander will be able to get you the right part. I had told you that my hopper flange did not have silicone between it and the hopper gasket when I disassembled it, but I checked with Englander and they recommend putting silicone on
both flanges and the gasket. Good luck, it going to turn colder this week and we may need the stoves.
Hobby

 

[kburns23]

The gasket is similar to the burn pot gasket but it is about 1/2 - 5/8 inch thick. Englander will be able to get you the right part. I had told you that my hopper flange did not have silicone between it and the hopper gasket when I disassembled it, but I checked with Englander and they recommend putting silicone on
both flanges and the gasket. Good luck, it going to turn colder this week and we may need the stoves.
Hobby

Hobby,

Just got off the phone with Englander and I didn't get a great feeling that they knew what I was talking about, lol.

They told me to use another burn pot gasket between the feeder pot and back side of the firewall, but you say it is thicker. It's frustrating because it shows the gasket in the exploded view from the user manual but doesn't have a number to the part.

I'll order an extra burn pot gasket and hope for the best unless anyone else has better info.

Thanks again.

Ken

 

[hobby8691]

Hobby,

Just got off the phone with Englander and I didn't get a great feeling that they knew what I was talking about, lol.

They told me to use another burn pot gasket between the feeder pot and back side of the firewall, but you say it is thicker. It's frustrating because it shows the gasket in the exploded view from the user manual but doesn't have a number to the part.

I'll order an extra burn pot gasket and hope for the best unless anyone else has better info.

Thanks again.

Ken

Ken: When I received the pellet feeder from Englander, the new gasket was already adhered to the front of the feeder and it was definitely thicker than the burn pot gasket, about twice as thick. I initially thought that possibly there were two gaskets, one for the feeder and one for the burn pot together, but it was only a single thicker gasket. Not sure who you may have talked to, but Mike Holton has helped me in the past and seems to know these stoves inside and out. I would trust whatever he suggests. It may be that a single burn pot gasket would be sufficient thickness, and I'm only going by what came on my feeder. I agree that Englander should have an "as built" diagram showing each and every fastener and all part numbers, but in their defense they do have very good technical support. If you are not satisfied, with your response today, I would call back as ask for Mike, he will have the correct answer for you.

Dave

 

[stoveguy2esw]

Hobby,

Just got off the phone with Englander and I didn't get a great feeling that they knew what I was talking about, lol.

They told me to use another burn pot gasket between the feeder pot and back side of the firewall, but you say it is thicker. It's frustrating because it shows the gasket in the exploded view from the user manual but doesn't have a number to the part.

I'll order an extra burn pot gasket and hope for the best unless anyone else has better info.

Thanks again.

Ken

hey Ken, PM me a phone number and i'll call you to go over the task and what you will need

 

[hobby8691]

Hobby,

Just got off the phone with Englander and I didn't get a great feeling that they knew what I was talking about, lol.

They told me to use another burn pot gasket between the feeder pot and back side of the firewall, but you say it is thicker. It's frustrating because it shows the gasket in the exploded view from the user manual but doesn't have a number to the part.

I'll order an extra burn pot gasket and hope for the best unless anyone else has better info.

Thanks again.

Ken

Ken: If you don't mind, let me know what Mike said about the feeder gasket thickness, I'd be interested.

Thanks,
Dave

 

[kburns23]

Ken: If you don't mind, let me know what Mike said about the feeder gasket thickness, I'd be interested.

Thanks,
Dave

Will do, Dave. I'm still waiting for the call. I understand though, it's a busy time of the year for Mike, I'm sure.

My wife wants to go buy the new smart stove, SS-P01. If I don't have to move the wall thimble, I might just do that and then I'll have some more time to fix the 25-PDV

Edit: just found the specs on the exhaust height, thimble would have to be moved. I'm not getting into that this late, will fix the PDV.

 

[kburns23]

Ok, final update. England's Stove Works's tech support had it right.

Mike called me today and confirmed that the gasket is indeed another burn pot gasket. Not sure why yours is thicker, Dave but I'm sure it's no big deal.

Big thanks to Mike for taking the time to call me. Not too many companies left like ESW, offering free, personal tech support on a product I purchased in 2008.

Ken

 

[bill3rail]

Taking pictures of the process to share with us that have not worn out this part yet?
Please...

 

[hobby8691]

Taking pictures of the process to share with us that have not worn out this part yet?
Please...

Bill3rail, I've attached a picture of the damage to the end of the feeder auger bore. This is the lower tube that dumps the pellets into the burn pot. The feeder assembly shown is positioned upside down to show a clearer picture of the wear and damage that occurred over the course of seven seasons of daily cleaning. My daily cleaning consisted of scraping the carbon buildup off of the end of the auger tube and vacuuming the burn pot. The cleanings eventually wore the bottom of the feeder tube until a small section of the auger tube had worn away requiring replacement. Perhaps I've been cleaning this area too frequently, but I thought I would save my auger motors by clearing the built up carbon.
The job of replacing the pellet feeder will require two burn pot gaskets (PU-BPG), one hopper to feeder gasket (PU-HFG) in addition to the feeder itself (CA-FS04). You will also need some high temperature silicone sealant to adhere the hopper gasket to the feeder assembly. Assuming the rear panel has already been removed. Remove the hopper lid by removing the ten screws located on the rear hinge. I then removed the vacuum switch attached to the back of the hopper. Next the hopper was removed, two screws on each outside pane, and three screws on the top front of the stove. The hopper can now be pulled up and slightly to the rear of the stove and placed aside. The room blower can also be removed (four 5/16 hex screws) to give more room to work. Next, I disconnected and removed the two auger motors. Don't forget to remove the igniter assembly by loosening the single bolt on the left side of the feeder. Now in front of the stove inside the burn chamber remove the burn pot, by loosening the two hex bolts located outside of the stove under the door lip. When the burn pot is removed and the old gasket scraped away, it reveals four allen head 3/16 bolts. When removing these bolts, have someone hold the feeder assembly steady to avoid it tipping and causing damage. The feeder assembly can now be pulled straight back and out of the stove.
NOTE: I tried to post a picture but even with my camera set to its lowest resolution, it is still too large to load. I will dig out my old camera and post a lower res picture.

Hobby

 

[hobby8691]

Bill3rail, I've attached a picture of the damage to the end of the feeder auger bore. This is the lower tube that dumps the pellets into the burn pot. The feeder assembly shown is positioned upside down to show a clearer picture of the wear and damage the occurred over the course of seven seasons of daily cleaning. My daily cleaning consisted of scraping the carbon buildup off of the end of the auger tube and vacuuming the burn pot. The cleanings eventually wore the bottom of the feeder tube until a small section of the auger tube had worn away requiring replacement. Perhaps I've been cleaning this area too frequently, but I thought I would save my auger motors by clearing the built up carbon.
The job of replacing the pellet feeder will require two burn pot gaskets (PU-BPG), one hopper to feeder gasket (PU-HFG) in addition to the feeder itself (CA-FS04). Assuming the rear panel has already been removed. Remove the hopper lid by removing the ten screws located on the rear hinge. I then removed the vacuum switch attached to the back of the hopper. Next the hopper was removed, two screws on each outside pane, and three screws on the top front of the stove. The hopper can now be pulled up and slightly to the rear of the stove and placed aside. Next, I disconnected and removed the two auger motors. Now in the burn chamber remove the burn pot, by loosening the two hex bolts located under the door lip. When the burn pot is removed and the old gasket scraped away, it reveals four allen head 3/16 bolts. When removing these bolts, have someone hold the feeder assembly steady to avoid it tipping and causing damage. The feeder assembly can now be pulled straight back and out of the stove.
NOTE: I tried to post a picture but even with my camera set to its lowest resolution, it is still too large to load. I will dig out my old camera and post a lower res picture.

Hobby

Picture of damaged feeder tube assembly. Hobby