fence charger for dog indoors ?

[RustyShackleford]

I'd like to keep my room-mate's dog out of a certain part of the house. There is only one entrance to the room. I want to some how set things up so he receives an electric shock, once, when he enters the room; I think if it's a good healthy shock, he'll avoid the room from there on out. He is an extremely willful and headstrong dog (if you've ever had a terrier, that's all I need to tell you).

I've tried just connecting a piece of metal to 120VAC, but I don't want to kill the poor little feller - in case he somehow couldn't break contact - so I stayed nearby, ready to unplug the cord as soon as he got shocked. But he's too wily for that.

So I want to try using an electric fence charger. There are a couple of pretty cheap ones on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HHO9EE/?tag=hearthamazon-20

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D9U8MBW/?tag=hearthamazon-20

The first one says the output is continuous, so this seems like it could also potentially kill him.

I also wonder how to wire it up. It looks like fence chargers usually have one lead connected to a stake in the ground, and the other lead connected to the wire. Obviously that's not possible indoors.

Thanks for any suggestions.

 

[Montanalocal]

The third wire in any outlet is connected to ground.

 

[Ashful]

PetSafe Invisible fence. I have two, one for the yard, and the second used exactly as you describe. I just string the boundary wire across any doorway or stair I want them to avoid. The collar gives them an audible warning beep, so they never even get shocked once trained to the system.

Most importantly, it works without injuring your pet.

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[lml999]

Did I see this on the Darwin Awards?

 

[EatenByLimestone]

I recall floor mats that had a shock to keep animals out of certain areas.

 

[blades]

note the pet safe only works as long as the matching collar is on. some pups do figure out that there is a range limitation and will blast past the zone. so now it would work in reverse keeping them in said no entrance area. Therefore there are pro and cons to electric collars - if your acquaintance will even allow a collar to be put on his pup. Might be better off with very high frequency sound generation that is irritating to the pup but not audible to humans . This could be used in conjunction with a proximity switch ( ir motion detect unit) and simple timer 555ic circuit to reset after x amount of activation. Much like or could be used the household switches that turn the lights on/off when motion is detected in a room. Sound would carry throughout the home though depending on the amplitude- another device is flashing strobe- very strong light, rapid flash is disorienting and again irritating to animals (people too). Course the best way is to train said pup not enter that room period takes time and much repetition but can be accomplished. Dogs are a lot like people some are just plain hard headed ( in reality it all depends on their view point of the pecking order) and takes a lot of effort to overcome that. If you are not perceived as the Alpha it can be a real struggle.(50+ years of working with dogs) Oh on the training part its all or nothing, in other words no entry at anytime with or with out human mascot, otherwise your desired outcome will not be achieved.

 

[Ashful]

note the pet safe only works as long as the matching collar is on. some pups do figure out that there is a range limitation and will blast past the zone.

They make a model for "difficult" dogs, which continues applying correction until dog is back in the yard. Rarely necessary, as the correction zone can be set quite wide on the normal units, but there are special cases.

My dogs wear their collars anytime they're not in their pen.

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[RustyShackleford]

I recall floor mats that had a shock to keep animals out of certain areas.

That sounds great. You don't happen to have a link, do you ?

 

[EatenByLimestone]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0007NTBJ6/?tag=hearthamazon-20


I'm sure they come in different sizes and colors.

 

[Swedishchef]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0007NTBJ6/?tag=hearthamazon-20


I'm sure they come in different sizes and colors.

I had a good chuckle when I saw videos in customer reviews.

I could see a good use for this with some of my friends..ha!

Andrew

 

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[RustyShackleford]

I got a piece of conductive fabric off eBay. Put it on a wide windowsill I didn't want the dog to get on, and attached it to the hot wire from a widow-maker cord. Yesterday, I saw him happily stand up with his front paws on that sill; I had to check the voltage, yup, sure enough, 120vac to ground and neutral. No completion of the current, but as anyone who's done much electrical work knows, you get enough grounding through your shoes and the floor and definitely feel it if you touch the hot lead.

So I'm thinking maybe that thick layer of callous on a dogs tootsies is a pretty darn good insulator, and the much higher voltage 3000/6000/9000v, according to their customer support, would likely work better. Thanks for turning me on to this product.

 

[EatenByLimestone]

Please be careful. It would probably be an awkward conversation if you sous vide his dog.

 

[semipro]

Really ?!? I need to be careful with electricity ? I would never have known that (being only a simple electrical engineer). If you and @lml999 could keep your snotty condescending thoughts to yourself, I'd be grateful. And I am grateful to the folks who actually responded with helpful suggestions.

What gives?
I see several helpful posts from @EatenByLimestone on this thread and his last and lml999's were hardly snotty or condescending.

 

[RustyShackleford]

What gives?
I see several helpful posts from @EatenByLimestone on this thread and his last and lml999's were hardly snotty or condescending.

In a bad mood, I guess. You're right, @EatenByLimestone turned me on to the static floor mats, so apologies to him for my outburst and I'll delete my post.

However, the only contribution by @lml999 was an allusion to the Darwin awards, which I do consider snotty and condescending.

 

[Ashful]

I dunno, Rusty. MSEE here, 76% completion on my PhD, by dissertation credits, and manager of R&D for one of the manufacturer of the largest RF and microwave band amplifiers and antennas in the world... but I'd still not bother designing my own home brew scat mat. I'd rather buy something that's been tested on someone else's lab rat, than my own pooch.


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[Babaganoosh]

Your roommate is ok with you shocking his or her dog with 110 vac? If I came home and you were hooking something up to the outlet to shock my dog or shocked her already I doubt I'd have the restraint to not immediately assault you. If I did have the restraint I'd be on the phone with the cops in less than a minute.

I'm not sure what your situation is, but shouldn't the roommate be in on this whole thing? Is this your house ? Roommate's house ? Shared place?

 

[RustyShackleford]

Your roommate is ok with you shocking his or her dog with 110 vac? If I came home and you were hooking something up to the outlet to shock my dog or shocked her already I doubt I'd have the restraint to not immediately assault you. If I did have the restraint I'd be on the phone with the cops in less than a minute.

I'm not sure what your situation is, but shouldn't the roommate be in on this whole thing? Is this your house ? Roommate's house ? Shared place?

Thanks for staying on topic - not. You do not understand the situation; I do.

 

[Babaganoosh]

Thanks for staying on topic - not. You do not understand the situation; I do.

After reading this thread I'm not surprised you have roommate problems.

You aware that forums are for discussion right? That means we sometimes expand with a back story. Shocking concept huh? Pun intended. You can't control what others say on an online forum and if that bothers you this much maybe you should refrain from posting.

A quick tip here. You might want to think twice before you openly admit to trying to shock a dog with an extension cord. I believe that's animal abuse and a crime. Someone could screen shot it and you could end up in some trouble. Something to think about before you go running off at the mouth on people.

It's so easy to take a screen shot these days.... click

 

[RustyShackleford]

After reading this thread I'm not surprised you have roommate problems.

You aware that forums are for discussion right? That means we sometimes expand with a back story. Shocking concept huh? Pun intended. You can't control what others say on an online forum and if that bothers you this much maybe you should refrain from posting.

A quick tip here. You might want to think twice before you openly admit to trying to shock a dog with an extension cord. I believe that's animal abuse and a crime. Someone could screen shot it and you could end up in some trouble. Something to think about before you go running off at the mouth on people.

It's so easy to take a screen shot these days.... click

You might want to re-consider who it is running off at the mouth.

Anyhow, I'm blocking you, so goodbye.

 

[Babaganoosh]

Good. Not really into posts written by animal abusers.