Help ID this Walnut look alike

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Rockey

Minister of Fire
Dec 18, 2007
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SW Ohio
I couldn't believe how similar this was to walnut when split open. The big difference is the smell. It is nothing like walnut, it actually has a spicy smell a bit reminiscent of cinnamon. The leaves were simialr to an ash, sorry there were none left for a picture. The only other significant feature is the carmel streaks running through the grain, maybe this be the key factor to IDing it. Oh, one more thing, the dark brown color of grain lightens up quite a bit as it dries.
 

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DiscoInferno

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I had some with exactly the smell you describe a few years ago. Have no idea what it was. But sassafras leaves are funny lobed mitten-looking things, nothing like ash. Birch looks somewhat more like ash.
 

glacialhills

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Jun 5, 2008
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S.W. Michigan
Where is Down east and wally? they can tell any Genus and species just from the bark and smell........... :roll:
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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Sassafras seems like a good call to me, aka cinnamon wood. I've read that a fungus can cause the dark streaking through the wood. If you can find some leaves, and they were 3 fingered and mitten shaped, they would be a positive ID.
 

Rockey

Minister of Fire
Dec 18, 2007
807
SW Ohio
I would have guessed sassafrass as well, but I know it isn't. I have some sassafrass in my stack and it is definitely a different scent. It also has much different leaves as was already mentioned. Anyone have any guesses, this one has me stumped.
 

smokinj

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Aug 11, 2008
15,980
Anderson, Indiana
my guess is walnut of some type.
 

wally

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Jan 25, 2008
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central nh
Glacialhills said:
Where is Down east and wally? they can tell any Genus and species just from the bark and smell........... :roll:
ah. i see. you're a troll.

an intellectual giant such as yourself could clearly differentiate the meaning of my statement in the "other thread" vs. the intended misdirection of the meaning you've attributed in the above statement. the only purpose of doing so is to bait - or troll - in order to have an "internet fight".

sorry that some "foresters" have so grievously taken advantage of you in your past.

your concern for the [sic] stuartship of small woodlots is commendable, and is a sentiment i share with you.


as to the wood in the photo, notwithstanding the "ash-like" leaves, the bark and wood appear similar to black cherry. perhaps an escaped ornamental, such as amur corktree, which has ash-like leaves.
 

glacialhills

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I am just trying to pin you down cause I got flamed for the statements I made in the thread https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/22712/ that anyone will have a hard time telling a particular species just from bark and wood. And in this case, like some cases I stated in that thread, even genus can be hard especially when in a grapple load or this case a split. I am not trying to cause a fight, just dont like being called names and such for giving facts and told I am an intellectual giant or trying to show people up or whatever.

Really good Id on the above wood it does not seem to be a native to ohio does it? has oak like bark color furrows but totally different wood color/grain.Cherry like wood and grain but different than black,pin,sour cherry bark. I would conclude a non native species too but have no idea what one.And really, you can not tell us with 100% certainty what the genus and species this is either, even when told the shape of leaves without seeing all the indicators and ruling out dozens of other closely related genus-es and species.Wally, you being a forester I am sure you are much better at tree id than I am. But even you are just taking a guess at this id. This is why I have said what I have said. I mean no disrespect to you.
 

Rockey

Minister of Fire
Dec 18, 2007
807
SW Ohio
I searched almost every tree native to ohio and couldn't match it up with anything. Maybe it is an "ornamental gone wild" Hey that would make a cool video. Lose the leaves and bare your fruit!
 

Eric Johnson

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Nov 18, 2005
5,871
Central NYS
I'm going with black birch, based on your location, the bark and color of the heartwood. Just like people, different individuals within a species can have very different characteristics. Black birch bark should smell kind of like peppermint because it contains wintergreen oil. If you try to burn a small piece of the bark and it takes off like it's been soaked in gasoline, then that's an even stronger indication. However, I've never seen sassafras.
 

HittinSteel

Minister of Fire
Aug 11, 2008
1,591
Northeastern Ohio
Rockey you have me wondering now. I split up a downed tree earlier in the year that looks identical. I decided it was black walnut, but I guess not.
 

the_dude

Feeling the Heat
Feb 26, 2008
300
Southern WI
The heartwood looks similar to some black ash I have seen, but the bark doesn't. But then you say the leaves look like ash. Black ash is my best guess.
 

fugazi42

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Jan 22, 2008
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Connecticut
I have almost no doubt that it's black walnut. The bark looks like it, the heartwood/sapwood looks like it, and you said the leaves look like it. I've split a lot of walnut for firewood and it does have a cinnamon-like smell to me- the smell reminds me of some of the tropical hardwoods in the rosewood family.

Josh
 

Rockey

Minister of Fire
Dec 18, 2007
807
SW Ohio
Trust me guys, I have split over 6 cords of black walnut in the past 3 years and I have lots of black walnut growing on our property. Hell, our street name is Walnut Grove. This is definitley not Black Walnut. The smell is 100% different and there were no walnuts off this tree ever. It was on my Father in laws property. Walnut leaves are longer and thinner similar to locust. the leaves off this tree were shorter and more stout. I am really curious as to what it is now.
 

RI Jim

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Sep 27, 2008
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Rhode Island
I have some friends in Ct that have a tree thay call butternut which is referred to as poor mans walnut. I wonder if that's what it is?
 
Butternut gives "butternuts"- more oblong than a walnut, a hairy and less fleshy covering and it's sticky. They are having big disease issues. They have compound leaves.

If it's compound leaves- then it's not a black birch.

Sasafrass has distinctive leaves- not compound leaves like walnut or butternut. Some are mitten shaped, some egg shaped on the same tree.
 

deadon

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Sep 30, 2008
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Central Pa
I would guess this is a Butternut similar to walnut but with leaves identical to ash.
 

Rockey

Minister of Fire
Dec 18, 2007
807
SW Ohio
treeman45246 said:
ansehnlich1 said:
I'm sayin' what ya got there is English Walnut.
And I agree. Not common in our neck of the woods, but it is around.
Don't all walnuts produce "nuts". If so, count English Walnut out. This tree had moe in common with my father in law than just growing on his property. It also had - no nuts.
 

treeman45246

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Oct 6, 2008
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Cinti. OH
It should produce nuts, but they'd lose their fleshy coating before they'd drop. It's possible that squirrels might get them before they'd come down and be noticed, too. I see in your picture a small twig remains on that piece of wood - make a diagonal cut and see if there are little chambers in the pith (the inner twig). If you have chambers, you have a Walnut, be it English or Black.
 
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