Help!
I have had a lopi revere for 10 years and enjoyed it. I would get burn times of 8-10 hours no problem. Did pretty good heating a 2500sq/ft home. When it got real cold, in the 0-10f I would have to run it on high and the upstairs back room would be cold.
This year I build a new home. I designed my home partially around my stove. I will try and describe my design of my home because I partially think this is part of the problem. My home is 3300sq/ft, 2 story home with a unfinished basement. I have the bedrooms upstairs with a large kitchen and great room. I build the great room so it has 12' ceilings with no rooms above it. I ran my chimney on the inside of my exterior framed walls and have it going up the wall of the great room. When I get to the attic I have an open top on the chimney and I am just running the double wall stainless out the roof to my exterior decorative chimney. The reason I did this is when I am burning, all the usually wasted heat is going into my attic to help heat my house if this makes sense.
I also did upgraded insulation. I did spray in foam and insulated the roof top and not the attic. So now I have a cap on the top of my house that traps all the residual heat for the fireplace. The insulation is amazing! You can get a higher r value by blowing in lots of extra insulation in the attic, but I don't think r values are apples to apples. Although the spray in foam is only a r35 or so, it insulated better because it seals in the roof overhanges, and all the crazy corners and gaps that you usually can't get very well with blown in. I have low-e windows, and sealed my house up as good as possible.
I tell you all this because if you are trying to decide if your fireplace is going to be able to heat your home the one biggest factor is what is your heat loss like? I have been burning my new stove for a week now and can easily heat my entire home. I get my main level and upstairs temps within 1 degree and sometimes, my upstairs is warmer than main level. Mostly this is due to the insulation, but its also due to my HVAC. I installed 5 cold air returns in the upstairs to aid in getting even heat distribution and air pressure, and I installed one of them in the great room ceiling. Yesterday outside air temp was 20f, fireplace is medium heat and fan, main level temp 75 and upstairs temp 74. (My wife likes it hot) All my rooms are evenly heated also which is really nice.
Okay getting to the issue. I feel like the Freedom insert is burning really hot. I have it backed down to almost closed all day and its still burning on the high end. I am not overburning, but its burning on the warm end. At night, I stack it full to extend burn times. I have been doing this a while so I have tried most of the tricks. Raking coals, stacking large splits east/west, air flow all the way closed. The last week I have been burning and have not been able to burn through the night. I am only getting 5 hours or less burn times. I stoke it at 11pm, and by morning I don't have any coals. 6am is when I get up. Very few ash and no coals. Nice thing is my home is still warm, this due to insulation. I wakeup and my home is 70!
I was reading through the install instructions and came across something that got me thinking. This from the manual.
(Differences if chimney height and draft may lower overall burn times.)
What does that mean? Why would that effect burn times? My conclusion was that airflow and draft is different for each house depending on chimney height, design, and home design and insulation.(insulation because how "tight" your home would effect air-pressure of home)
My chimney heights from my old house to my new house are pretty similar. I am wondering if that because of the placement of my chimney and my insulation are causing my fireplace to "draft" different. Whatever it may be doesn't really matter because I am getting consistent burn times of around 5 hours. Way less than it should be.
Last night I was listening to it burn, after I had raked the coals to the front, stacked wood from back to front, let it burn in for 5min on high. I backed it down to fully closed on the airflow and I can still hear it sucking quite a bit of air. The flame is not backing down enough to make it through the night. So I decided to try and determine where the airflow is coming from. Right below the handle there is a rectangular intake. I put my hand under there and felt and I could fill the air flowing in pretty rapidly. Yes the fan was off. So I decided to look and see if its closing completely. Got a light and shinned it under and noticed that there is two stop screws and I was hitting the stop screws. So it was closing all the way and nothing appeared to be damaged. I then took a rag and placed it in the intake. It was only warm so I wasn't worried about it catching on fire. Now I could hear the intake air slow and the flame backed down to about what my reveree looked like.
on low. (I could go 8-10 hours on my revere, the freedom is advertised up to 12 hours) Decided to leave it that way for the night and see what it was like in the morning. I woke up at 7 am and my house was 68. OAT was 18f. Fan was still running on low and fireplace was still hot. Opened the stove to find lots of hot coals. Threw in a couple logs and fire was blazing in 10min.
Obviously I don't want to stuff a rag in the intake every night, so I am thinking I need to take apart the air control it and figure out how to close it down more. I am guessing that on fully closed it still has an opening that is letting air in. I need to be able to close it down more. I am guessing I can fine tune it better. Am I missing anything here? I am thinking I can remove the air intake and either adjust where the stop screws are, modify the plate so its larger and block more airflow, or a combination of the both. Just trying to make sure I am not missing anything.
Any input would be great. Quick note. I have checked for airleaks in the stove, door seal is good. Thanks
Dustin
I have had a lopi revere for 10 years and enjoyed it. I would get burn times of 8-10 hours no problem. Did pretty good heating a 2500sq/ft home. When it got real cold, in the 0-10f I would have to run it on high and the upstairs back room would be cold.
This year I build a new home. I designed my home partially around my stove. I will try and describe my design of my home because I partially think this is part of the problem. My home is 3300sq/ft, 2 story home with a unfinished basement. I have the bedrooms upstairs with a large kitchen and great room. I build the great room so it has 12' ceilings with no rooms above it. I ran my chimney on the inside of my exterior framed walls and have it going up the wall of the great room. When I get to the attic I have an open top on the chimney and I am just running the double wall stainless out the roof to my exterior decorative chimney. The reason I did this is when I am burning, all the usually wasted heat is going into my attic to help heat my house if this makes sense.
I also did upgraded insulation. I did spray in foam and insulated the roof top and not the attic. So now I have a cap on the top of my house that traps all the residual heat for the fireplace. The insulation is amazing! You can get a higher r value by blowing in lots of extra insulation in the attic, but I don't think r values are apples to apples. Although the spray in foam is only a r35 or so, it insulated better because it seals in the roof overhanges, and all the crazy corners and gaps that you usually can't get very well with blown in. I have low-e windows, and sealed my house up as good as possible.
I tell you all this because if you are trying to decide if your fireplace is going to be able to heat your home the one biggest factor is what is your heat loss like? I have been burning my new stove for a week now and can easily heat my entire home. I get my main level and upstairs temps within 1 degree and sometimes, my upstairs is warmer than main level. Mostly this is due to the insulation, but its also due to my HVAC. I installed 5 cold air returns in the upstairs to aid in getting even heat distribution and air pressure, and I installed one of them in the great room ceiling. Yesterday outside air temp was 20f, fireplace is medium heat and fan, main level temp 75 and upstairs temp 74. (My wife likes it hot) All my rooms are evenly heated also which is really nice.
Okay getting to the issue. I feel like the Freedom insert is burning really hot. I have it backed down to almost closed all day and its still burning on the high end. I am not overburning, but its burning on the warm end. At night, I stack it full to extend burn times. I have been doing this a while so I have tried most of the tricks. Raking coals, stacking large splits east/west, air flow all the way closed. The last week I have been burning and have not been able to burn through the night. I am only getting 5 hours or less burn times. I stoke it at 11pm, and by morning I don't have any coals. 6am is when I get up. Very few ash and no coals. Nice thing is my home is still warm, this due to insulation. I wakeup and my home is 70!
I was reading through the install instructions and came across something that got me thinking. This from the manual.
(Differences if chimney height and draft may lower overall burn times.)
What does that mean? Why would that effect burn times? My conclusion was that airflow and draft is different for each house depending on chimney height, design, and home design and insulation.(insulation because how "tight" your home would effect air-pressure of home)
My chimney heights from my old house to my new house are pretty similar. I am wondering if that because of the placement of my chimney and my insulation are causing my fireplace to "draft" different. Whatever it may be doesn't really matter because I am getting consistent burn times of around 5 hours. Way less than it should be.
Last night I was listening to it burn, after I had raked the coals to the front, stacked wood from back to front, let it burn in for 5min on high. I backed it down to fully closed on the airflow and I can still hear it sucking quite a bit of air. The flame is not backing down enough to make it through the night. So I decided to try and determine where the airflow is coming from. Right below the handle there is a rectangular intake. I put my hand under there and felt and I could fill the air flowing in pretty rapidly. Yes the fan was off. So I decided to look and see if its closing completely. Got a light and shinned it under and noticed that there is two stop screws and I was hitting the stop screws. So it was closing all the way and nothing appeared to be damaged. I then took a rag and placed it in the intake. It was only warm so I wasn't worried about it catching on fire. Now I could hear the intake air slow and the flame backed down to about what my reveree looked like.
on low. (I could go 8-10 hours on my revere, the freedom is advertised up to 12 hours) Decided to leave it that way for the night and see what it was like in the morning. I woke up at 7 am and my house was 68. OAT was 18f. Fan was still running on low and fireplace was still hot. Opened the stove to find lots of hot coals. Threw in a couple logs and fire was blazing in 10min.
Obviously I don't want to stuff a rag in the intake every night, so I am thinking I need to take apart the air control it and figure out how to close it down more. I am guessing that on fully closed it still has an opening that is letting air in. I need to be able to close it down more. I am guessing I can fine tune it better. Am I missing anything here? I am thinking I can remove the air intake and either adjust where the stop screws are, modify the plate so its larger and block more airflow, or a combination of the both. Just trying to make sure I am not missing anything.
Any input would be great. Quick note. I have checked for airleaks in the stove, door seal is good. Thanks
Dustin
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