New damper mechanism for the Woodstock Progress Hybrid

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barnaclebob

Feeling the Heat
Nov 29, 2017
294
Puget Sound
Just saw this on facebook. It will hopefully address the biggest flaw with the stove IMO.

Hopefully it's retrofitable and not too pricey.

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Woody Stover

Minister of Fire
Dec 25, 2010
12,572
Southern IN

barnaclebob

Feeling the Heat
Nov 29, 2017
294
Puget Sound
Can you detail the problem?

Currently the damper adjustability is not good. You see very little reduction in airflow until nearly completely closed down. With my setup just cracking it a little will result in too much airflow. So for me currently the stove basically has full power or fully shut down.
 
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weatherguy

Minister of Fire
Feb 20, 2009
5,917
Central Mass
Currently the damper adjustability is not good. You see very little reduction in airflow until nearly completely closed down. With my setup just cracking it a little will result in too much airflow. So for me currently the stove basically has full power or fully shut down.
Mines the same, one of the hearth members, probably an engineer rigged something similar where he had a lot more control. I think he posted a couple years back.
 

begreen

Mooderator
Staff member
Nov 18, 2005
97,901
South Puget Sound, WA
I'm glad to see the improvement, but a little surprised it's allowed as a retrofit on older stoves without redoing EPA testing.
 
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fire_man

Minister of Fire
Feb 6, 2009
2,682
North Eastern MA
I have to admit adjusting the original air lever is tricky. Its very sensitive the last 1/2" of travel before fully closed.
I tend just to close it completely and get plenty of heat and a long burn.

The only time i leave it open a tad is ironically during warmer weather when the draft is poor to eliminate backpuffing.
 

Woody Stover

Minister of Fire
Dec 25, 2010
12,572
Southern IN
I have to admit adjusting the original air lever is tricky. Its very sensitive the last 1/2" of travel before fully closed.
Heck, even the Ks/Palladian is kinda like that; Under a setting of 1.25, small movements have a big effect.
 

SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
7,229
Downeast Maine
Heck, even the Ks/Palladian is kinda like that; Under a setting of 1.25, small movements have a big effect.
My morso is like that, but oddly with a round threaded draft cap. There are five full turns to close and turns 1-4 don't make huge changes and usually I close it 25% (1.25 turns) at a time when starting from cold. The last turn, 20% of the draft cap movement, makes a huge difference and can only close it all the way when burning bio bricks. Even the driest load of seasoned hard maple cant have the cap totally closed, just down to about 10%, but I run it at 20% for softwoods on a full load, 25-50% when burning less than a full load. Stoves are weird and this is a long and boring post.
 
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Woody Stover

Minister of Fire
Dec 25, 2010
12,572
Southern IN
My morso is like that, but oddly with a round threaded draft cap. There are five full turns to close and turns 1-4 don't make huge changes and usually I close it 25% (1.25 turns) at a time when starting from cold. The last turn, 20% of the draft cap movement, makes a huge difference and can only close it all the way when burning bio bricks. Even the driest load of seasoned hard maple cant have the cap totally closed, just down to about 10%, but I run it at 20% for softwoods on a full load, 25-50% when burning less than a full load. Stoves are weird and this is a long and boring post.
I guess it's just the nature of air control mechanisms, kind of an exponential curve; If you go from (in my case) 4 to 3, the available draft can still pull a lot of air through since you haven't cut the size of the opening all that much. When you have the air almost closed, a similar movement of the lever cuts a much large percentage of the remaining air.
Interesting air settings you have for the different woods. I'd think you'd have to give it less air for softwoods, as they tend to burn faster..
 

barnaclebob

Feeling the Heat
Nov 29, 2017
294
Puget Sound
I guess it's just the nature of air control mechanisms, kind of an exponential curve; If you go from (in my case) 4 to 3, the available draft can still pull a lot of air through since you haven't cut the size of the opening all that much. When you have the air almost closed, a similar movement of the lever cuts a much large percentage of the remaining air.
Interesting air settings you have for the different woods. I'd think you'd have to give it less air for softwoods, as they tend to burn faster..

Thats the beauty of slide mechanisms like what the new PH control is. You can optimize the airflow vs damper setting via how you cut the hole in the slide plate.

The only better mechanism (assuming an optimized slide plate) is a thermostatically controlled damper like blaze kings.
 
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SpaceBus

Minister of Fire
Nov 18, 2018
7,229
Downeast Maine
I guess it's just the nature of air control mechanisms, kind of an exponential curve; If you go from (in my case) 4 to 3, the available draft can still pull a lot of air through since you haven't cut the size of the opening all that much. When you have the air almost closed, a similar movement of the lever cuts a much large percentage of the remaining air.
Interesting air settings you have for the different woods. I'd think you'd have to give it less air for softwoods, as they tend to burn faster..
It seems in my case to be less energy density so more air needed for a air/fuel ratio. Stoves all have their quirks. I thought for a while my cookstove air control was useless until I realized how it likes to burn. Now I have total control.
 

Woodboy

Member
Jan 19, 2011
15
Trumansburg NY
April Fool!!!!
 

Hoytman

Minister of Fire
Jan 6, 2020
542
Ohio
I seen the diagram, but can someone show me an actual picture of the control, as well as the primary and secondary air intakes on the Progress.

EDIT:
Nevermind....I see the control. All I'd like to see now are the air intakes.
 

toddnic

Minister of Fire
Jul 13, 2013
782
North Carolina
FYI, I spoke with Woodstock Soapstone Company today. They are waiting on approval from the EPA before shipping the new air control. It will probably take another two-weeks before approved.
 

3fordasho

Minister of Fire
Jul 20, 2007
1,013
South Central Minnesota
FYI, I spoke with Woodstock Soapstone Company today. They are waiting on approval from the EPA before shipping the new air control. It will probably take another two-weeks before approved.

Any word on pricing? My original air control is too loose when the stove is cold (will actually shut itself due to gravity on the lever and then gets too tight when the stove is hot) and as others noted is too touchy near the closed position.
 

Hoytman

Minister of Fire
Jan 6, 2020
542
Ohio
The only better mechanism (assuming an optimized slide plate) is a thermostatically controlled damper like blaze kings.
The thermo idea is a great one and for the money of WS stoves should include them. I think it would increase everything on their stoves, efficiency, emissions, etc., and I personally believe it would have to increase burn times to rival that of other stoves, not that WS doesn’t already underwhelm their customers. (Compliment)
 

toddnic

Minister of Fire
Jul 13, 2013
782
North Carolina
Any word on pricing? My original air control is too loose when the stove is cold (will actually shut itself due to gravity on the lever and then gets too tight when the stove is hot) and as others noted is too touchy near the closed position.
Nothing yet on pricing. I can't imagine that it would be that expensive. Maybe $100? Not sure....
 

3fordasho

Minister of Fire
Jul 20, 2007
1,013
South Central Minnesota
Spoke briefly with Woodstock yesterday - new air intake parts are being used on new PH production as it helps it meet the new 2020 EPA spec.
No word on availability for owners wishing to retrofit older PH stoves but they did take my name down as interested in the retrofit kit.
 

Highbeam

Minister of Fire
Dec 28, 2006
20,236
Mt. Rainier Foothills, WA
That PH was marketed as being ultra clean burning. You know, Progress and all of that, and I believe it is a very clean burner. Just goes to show you that manufacturers have to make compromises just to pass a test.
 

3fordasho

Minister of Fire
Jul 20, 2007
1,013
South Central Minnesota
Still not available to those who want to retrofit older stoves - all production still going into new stoves. I did call and get an update yesterday from Woodstock: They will be available for the upcoming heating season. I didn't ask about the pricing.


FYI, I spoke with Woodstock Soapstone Company today. They are waiting on approval from the EPA before shipping the new air control. It will probably take another two-weeks before approved.
 

Tahoe

Member
Oct 8, 2019
71
Tahoe
Hey everyone, long time no see. We’re coming up on 2 years with our PH. The only change I’d like is the damper discussed above. Has anyone made the retrofit? Otherwise, what a great stove. Our primary heat has been out for 2 weeks and we’ve been solely relying on the PH for our heat with a 24/7 burn during that time. Got 2’ snow for our first October storm. Seems like it’s going to be a big winter. Soooooo glad we bought it.
 

fire_man

Minister of Fire
Feb 6, 2009
2,682
North Eastern MA
I have to admit last night I wished I had the new air damper. Especially this time of year with a weak draft it would be nice.
 

3fordasho

Minister of Fire
Jul 20, 2007
1,013
South Central Minnesota
Hey everyone, long time no see. We’re coming up on 2 years with our PH. The only change I’d like is the damper discussed above. Has anyone made the retrofit? Otherwise, what a great stove. Our primary heat has been out for 2 weeks and we’ve been solely relying on the PH for our heat with a 24/7 burn during that time. Got 2’ snow for our first October storm. Seems like it’s going to be a big winter. Soooooo glad we bought it.
I've called Woodstock two or three times about the retrofit and asked each time to be put on the list for one (if there is one). I've heard nothing so far. I really would like it for this heating season as the original control is a bit problematic on my stove.