New to wood burning trying to educate myself

[Jdog]

I finally got fed up with my heating cost so Iv always had interest in wood burning so got me a englander 13-nc to start with. It was free so can't beat that. I cleaned it all out replaced the fire brick in it and fiberboard but the hole in the bottom for the ash pan I'm guessing he just has a peice of steel with a loop on it is this ok or will air come up thru it and cause me panic. Any other advise would be AWSOME to thx guys.

 

[pen]

Is that piece of steel with a loop on it a a pretty heavy duty piece that fits the height of the firebrick?

Just want to make sure it's the factory ash pan plug and not some homemade job.

Did you look up the manual for the stove before installing to make sure your hearth and wall clearances are appropriate?

What kind of chimney are you working with?

A picture is worth 1000 words, giving several pics of the installation and or anything else you'd like checked could be helpful.

Welcome to the site!

pen

 

[blades]

Welcome, Nc-13 likes wood that is 20% and under moisture content wise like its big brother NC30. It is a great smaller heater. So anything you buy from a firewood sales person is likely not going to be dry enough this year. You will need to mix it with known dry material like maybe pallet wood or compressed wood logs. And I second Pen's request.

 

[Jdog]

Yes i looked up everything on how to in stall haven't got it all put in yet. wanted to make sure i do it right. Yes it is level with the fire brick but to me it looks home made but not for sure. When i figure out how to post pics i will for sure. On the chimney i was thinking of going with double wall smokeless pipe to my ceiling and then the triple wall the rest of the way good idea or bad? As far as the hearth goes not 100% what you mean by that? Im really new to this stuff and have been reading till wee hrs of the night on this stuff. The wall clearances i got and was going to go an extra 1.5-2 inches more to be on the safe side. I have access to all the wood i need but i know it wont be drie now so im cutting for next year and have bought a few loads from the paper here where i live and it looks to be really good wood. Any recommendations?

 

[Jdog]

and also is the wood moisture device very accurate at the content?

 

[pen]

and also is the wood moisture device very accurate at the content?

They generally are on a freshly split edge of a piece of wood. If you want more info on those, check out the "gear room"

As for the hearth pad, the englander requires a pretty high r-value underneath the stove (this is the area under and immediately around/behind/infront of the stove. Let us know what you are looking to do here for the hearth pad and we can give you some suggestions.

pen

 

[Jdog]

Oh ok i got it i was going to put down one of those pads you can buy then as the winter goes i was going to do a nice brick job on the walls it will be in a corner then after winter or before just dont know at the moment i was going to build like a step up to it mabe 4 inches up or so. Will that pad be good for now it has like a layer of some sort of material under neith it then its kinda like tile or stone on top. The first pic is the pad im talking about the second pic is what i want to end up with when im done.

 

[Oregon aloha]

Just remember that if you are bricking it up during the heating season you shouldn't burn for at lest two weeks as the mortar will crack. You don't want it to dry to quickly.

I'm playing the waiting game right now.

 

[Jdog]

yea i thought it wouldnt be good to do it when i was burning at full pase. With just the right distance from the wall like the manual says should be ok for now right?

 

[blades]

Pad will be fine. Have one under the NC30, house is still standing ( all of it) but note there is very little self support to one of those when setting a stove on top. So it needs to be well braced from below. And try not to drop a split on the tiles they will crack.

 

[begreen]

Have you perused this sticky note?
https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads...lem-stoves-air-is-restricted-faq-about.59225/

 

[pen]

Pad will be fine. Have one under the NC30, house is still standing

I've yet to find a single pad that meets the r-value requirements of the stove spelled out in the manual. If you have one, would you please share a link to it? Usually, it would take two pads for the type that I have found.

 

[Sprinter]

I've yet to find a single pad that meets the r-value requirements of the stove spelled out in the manual. If you have one, would you please share a link to it? Usually, it would take two pads for the type that I have found.

I discovered the same thing when I was considering the 13. It requires an R.2.0 rating and it seems like most 13 owners end up building something with Micore or cement board with enough rating.

 

[Sprinter]

and also is the wood moisture device very accurate at the content?

They're within one or two points which is accurate enough. There's a little variation with species but it's not significant. This is an example. It's the one I have but there are others. http://www.amazon.com/DUSIEC-Handheld-Digital-Moisture-Content/dp/B004KWAQAI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1382045196&sr=8-2&keywords=moisture meter
You need to make a new split and put the pins in on a fresh face.

 

[Jdog]

So just a regular one won't work? I haven't seen them say anything about a value on the ones Iv seen. It's just tile and some sort of material underneath that.

 

[Jdog]

The stove came with a stand that is made of steel that sets it up higher should I use that?

 

[Sprinter]

So just a regular one won't work? I haven't seen them say anything about a value on the ones Iv seen. It's just tile and some sort of material underneath that.

Most standard ready-made hearth pads have minimal r rating. Unfortunately, the 13 has an unusually high requirement at 2.0. Take a look at this site. It looks like they make a raised hearth that meets this requirement. Scroll down to "Pedestals"
(broken link removed to http://www.americanpanelhearth.com/Images/Documents%20for%20site/AmPanel_HearthBro11pdf.pdf)
but I'll bet it's expensive.

The stove came with a stand that is made of steel that sets it up higher should I use that?

We'd have to see more about that. It may help if that's what it's made for.

Or are you referring to the pedestal base vs feet? I don't think there is a difference in the hearth requirement, but you should check on that.
In case you don't have the manual for this stove, you can download it here:
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdfImages/40/40aff327-da65-4107-8c72-6c1e15705068.pdf

 

[Jdog]

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Most standard ready-made hearth pads have minimal r rating. Unfortunately, the 13 has an unusually high requirement at 2.0. Take a look at this site. It looks like they make a raised hearth that meets this requirement. Scroll down to "Pedestals"
(broken link removed to http://www.americanpanelhearth.com/Images/Documents%20for%20site/AmPanel_HearthBro11pdf.pdf)
but I'll bet it's expensive.


We'd have to see more about that. It may help if that's what it's made for.

Or are you referring to the pedestal base vs feet? I don't think there is a difference in the hearth requirement, but you should check on that.
In case you don't have the manual for this stove, you can download it here:
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/pdfImages/40/40aff327-da65-4107-8c72-6c1e15705068.pdf

it's not the ped or feet it's home made to get it up off the floor he said it worked for him he only had that stand down. I'll get a pic of it in the morning and post it see what you experts think.

 

[Jdog]

What's normal price for one the ones hear are $299-350 is that normal?

 

[pen]

Well, like anything, it's what you want. Here is a commonly available stove board (hearth pad) for 50 bucks w/ an r-value of 1.5 http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/sto...ve-board-32-in-w-x-42-in-h-black?cm_vc=-10005

If the stove calls for more, and this is the only thing under the stove, the insurance company (or code inspector) will not be happy. Especially if there is a claim.

These are reliable products that work well, but if they don't meet the grade individually for this stove, I have yet to see something that says they cannot be doubled up to make things legit as per the stove's manual (so long as the dimensions as in length x width work as well)

pen

 

[Jdog]

Yea u see the ones they got for $399 that's cermic tile type two that's what I got but it don't say an r value?

 

[pen]

Yea u see the ones they got for $399 that's cermic tile type two that's what I got but it don't say an r value?

Then you need to make some phone calls, look at any papers that came with them, etc. You need proof that you are in compliance with what the stove's manual requires.

pen