No Good Draft Need Some Help Please

[bucko64]

Hey all I need some Help with A couple of things if you could.
First thing is its not my set up with this pipe set up.My EX. Wife called me to see if I could help them out.

1.He has a rear exit pipe on the wood stove maybe about 7 foot piece horizontally through the wall. It runs to a elbow outside and up the side of the house 10 foot up side of the house.
There no where near the top of the roof to get a good draft so I'm gonna go help him run it further up to get a better draft. My question is that 7 foot from the back out the wall is that to much pipe and not helping the draft problem?? And how far away from the side of the house should it be??

THANX IN ADVANCE JIM

 

[Moose]

the shorter the better, get it as short as you possibly can. and if possible run the class a chimney inside the house there are alot of things working against you as far as draft and creosote build up is concerned here. 1. the horizontal run 2. the chimney outside 3. the length of verticle pipe. There is no way to garentee a good draft with that set up.

 

[Todd]

7' horizontal sounds like way too much. If you can't shorten it can you make it less horizontal and put a slight rise in it?

 

[bucko64]

Thanx for the quick reply moose I figured that Im gonna go down and look at this mess tomorw.I have two of my boys that live with them.... Just thought id get some advice from you guys first thanx again

 

[webbie]

Let me get this right, your name is Buck and your Ex is a "He".
:coolgrin:

From the description I have to wonder if they have a real (HT) chimney, because no chimney I know of has an elbow outside. Please don't tell us that they are using black pipe or something like that, or even single wall stainless. The only chimneys you can use for safety and draft are properly built masonry chimneys or HT double or triple wall prefabricated types.

So, they will NEVER get a good draft with cold pipe outside - cold pipe = cold air. Besides that, it will create a lot of smoke and tars and present a fire danger.

The 7 foot inside is not good either, as is not being tall enough, but this whole job sounds like a problem

 

[bucko64]

Good IDEA Pyro I thougt 7 foot was to much. What about the distance from the outside of the wall. How close can it be to the side of the house?Its about 2 foot away now??

 

[Moose]

Do you have any pics of the install? You definatly want to make sure you are using the correct chimney. Especially if there are children living there. It is my opinion that faulty chimney installs are the leading cause of house fires when working with wood stoves. I understand that class a chimney is not cheap but nothing is worth gambling with the lives of loved ones. Keep us posted and we'll do everything we can to help out.

 

[webbie]

As I suspected, they are probably running regular single wall pipe up the side of the house. There is no safe distance.....since it is just not right. Have them read:
https://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/articles/installing_a_woodstove

They must use a masonry chimney, or an insulated metal one - these can be 2" from the house.

Anything else is a botch job and no advice we give would be fair....we would basically be telling them how to burn their place down!

 

[bucko64]

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Thanz for your reply. Buy the way my EX is a She. She Is living in His house I had to take a double look at my post on that one LOL...I have only seen it from a glance from the driveway it didn't look to cool to me looks like a crap to me. Really has me worried that's why I'm trying to help. They have no heat and no money... Thax again guys

 

[bucko64]

Hey Guys Have to step out a while ill get back to my post in a bit late...

 

[Moose]

Well if it is not a valid install, do what you can to get them to do it right. there are plenty of people here that will walk you through the install. As a father, If they won't take your advice under no circumstances would I allow my children to stay in a house with a botched up chimney install.

 

[begreen]

It would really help to see some pictures for this installation. From the sounds of it there could be several issues. For example, what type pipe is running up outdoors. How does the horizontal pipe go through the wall? Is there a legal thimble there? The long horizontal run is a big problem with this install, especially if it doesn't have a good vertical pitch. But we can't talk about clearances until we know what make and model stove and what flue pipe is used on the inside and outside.

 

[bucko64]

Hey All I will take u guys advice when I go Down there I really hate to even see this mess . Im going to print this page of form and bring it to show him. Thanx for ur replies guys ill get back to u after I see the muck ...

 

[begreen]

Yeah, my gut feeling is that it's a bastard installation with standard stove pipe. Best of luck.

 

[bucko64]

[Hey all I couldn't go down yesterday it rained .Im going today and told him my buddies said the way your doing that chimney wasn't going to draft right and wasn't safe. He was pissed but bi think hes going to change it.Can we go up through existing brick chimney?Just a thought was wondering..

 

[begreen]

Without more details, 'maybe', but it's certainly worth a looksee at least. The chimney most likely will need a liner and will need to be dedicated to the stove. If it's close to the stove location or the stove can be safely relocated there, then it might work. Post pictures of the current installation and the chimney and we can comment better.