Old Quadra Fire / Aladdin gas stove1992

[Quadrafire 1992]

Hello all,

I have a 1992 Quadra-Fire / Aladdin gas stove. It is leaving a lot of soot on the logs in the burn box where the flame is emitting around them. I was wondering if there is a cure to this. I cleaned out the inside which had a bunch of soot (loose) on the inside under the gas manifold/fake logs. It did not change the logs having a soot build up. I did read maybe the flame is too high/hot? I adjusted the knob on the control panel to low, it operates fine. It has the blower option as well. So any way thats it, just asking if a part may need changing or is it the flame is too high?
It works good, puts out good heat. Also is there replacement fake logs available? Please see pics for placard w/ info.

Thanks,
Mike

 

[DAKSY]

What type of gas are you burning, LP or NG? If it’s LP, try to locate your air shutter adjustment & open the shutter all the way. You may lose some of the realistic looking yellow flames, but it should burn cleaner.

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

What type of gas are you burning, LP or NG? If it’s LP, try to locate your air shutter adjustment & open the shutter all the way. You may lose some of the realistic looking yellow flames, but it should burn cleaner.

NG, so it would not have a shutter?

 

[DAKSY]

It should have a shutter, even for NG. The air shutter is used to adjust the Air-To-Fuel (ATF) mixture & if it gets shut too much even burning NG, the unit can soot. Check your owners manual, if you have one. It will tell you the proper setting. If you don’t, there may be one online.

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

It should have a shutter, even for NG. The air shutter is used to adjust the Air-To-Fuel (ATF) mixture & if it gets shut too much even burning NG, the unit can soot. Check your owners manual, if you have one. It will tell you the proper setting. If you don’t, there may be one online.

Indeed it has one. Pls see pics. It is in wide open position. Is it too much air if that is the case? Should I close it a little? 1ST pic is of the shutter valve. 2nd is pilot light/manifold, third soot on the logs after short usage.

 

[DAKSY]

What color are the flames when the burner is on? They should be blue at the bottom & yellow at the top. A wide open air shutter shouldn’t give you any sooting like that. Is it possible to move the logs further from the flames? The flames should be CLOSE to logs, but not hitting them.

 

[Murray01]

Impurities in the NG, possibly a contributing factor?

 

[DAKSY]

Possibly, but any other gas appliances in the home would probably exhibit the same symptoms

 

[DAKSY]

Here is a copy of the online manual if you need it.

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www.fire-parts.com

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

What color are the flames when the burner is on? They should be blue at the bottom & yellow at the top. A wide open air shutter shouldn’t give you any sooting like that. Is it possible to move the logs further from the flames? The flames should be CLOSE to logs, but not hitting them.

Welp, the flame looks orange to me at the top, def blue at the manifold. See pic on initial post. Yes the flame was going right onto the log, that is where the majority of the soot is(see pic 3 from yesterdays post). I will try to move them out of the way of the burner and see what happens.

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

Here is a copy of the online manual if you need it.

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www.fire-parts.com

Thanks for this. I was having a hard time finding it. One oddity I noticed is that in the manual there is 4 total logs, I have 5. I might leave one out and see if I can get them away from the flame. Mine were def. positioned differently from this manual, just a bit.

 

[stovelark]

Logs position very important in regards to sooting up, they need to be in correct position. Were they moved recently or did anything change in its operation? DAKSY is a very good ref for gas info, good luck.

 

[stovelark]

One thing I did note- this manual seems to be for a CFM (believe to be related to Vermont Castings). This OP's stove is a Quadrafire (Aladdin at the time), now a Hearth and Home Technologies company. So, the log picture in that manual may not be the one you need. I also believe parts if needed for your stove will be difficult to come by...

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

One thing I did note- this manual seems to be for a CFM (believe to be related to Vermont Castings). This OP's stove is a Quadrafire (Aladdin at the time), now a Hearth and Home Technologies company. So, the log picture in that manual may not be the one you need. I also believe parts if needed for your stove will be difficult to come by...

stovelark, the manual was correct for the logs. I adjusted them and am monitoring for soot but do not see any new build up. One of the logs was over the manifold. I think it is the right manual, it has the same model number?

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

Here is a copy of the online manual if you need it.

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www.fire-parts.com

I followed the manual and did notice one of the logs was misplaced, so thanks for the manual link! Seems good now, no new soot. Some pics of the flame, seems good, blue on bottom, yellow on top.

 

[stovelark]

Great to hear, glad she is up and going good again. Stay warm.

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

Great to hear, glad she is up and going good again. Stay warm.

Thanks stovelark. It seems to be good, no soot after some use.

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

Here is a copy of the online manual if you need it.

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www.fire-parts.com

Okay another issue seems to be taking place. It was very windy here today and it actually blew out the pilot light. I had the stove on and checked on it only to see the door ajar and flame was out as well as the pilot light (slight wind!lol). I have followed the instructions for igniting the pilot light, but when I let go of the pilot light button/knob, it goes out. I have tried a few times to no avail. It lights off easily, one push of the igniter, but when you let the pilot light button out after 60 seconds, it goes right out. Looking at the manual, trouble shooting guide, page 10, #2. There is no wall switch. I was going to try to check the millivolts at locations specified.

 

[DAKSY]

That symptom is usually caused by a bad thermocouple (TC). To check it you will need a multimeter with alligator clips or another set of hands. The TC needs to be disconnected from the valve. Attach one clip on the copper sheathing & the other clip on the “button” that is inserted into the valve body. Set the meter to vDC. Light the pilot & hold the knob in while you take your reading. A reading less than 27mV generally indicates the TC is failing & needs replacement.

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

That symptom is usually caused by a bad thermocouple (TC). To check it you will need a multimeter with alligator clips or another set of hands. The TC needs to be disconnected from the valve. Attach one clip on the copper sheathing & the other clip on the “button” that is inserted into the valve body. Set the meter to vDC. Light the pilot & hold the knob in while you take your reading. A reading less than 27mV generally indicates the TC is failing & needs replacement.

Okay, this is what I am finding, and it looks the same except for the mounting holes on the new part. You can see the existing one in the pics above, no mtg holes on the face plate, where there are two on the new part:

https://www.stove-parts-unlimited.com/quadra-fire-columbia-bay-hudson-bay-pilot-assembly-ng-7003-014-p/7003-014.htm?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=18443308048&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwarinbSUkwMVLQ2tBh1ytD1cEAQYBiABEgLtF_D_BwE

I also see that you can buy the thermocouple stand alone (a lot less $). Can I change just that part out with the set up I have?

https://www.supplyhouse.com/Robertshaw-1960-027-27-Low-Mass-Thermocouple?utm_source=google_ad&utm_medium=Shopping_Heating&utm_campaign=Shopping_X_Heating_X_SSC_New&utm_campaignid=22340288845&utm_adgroupid=177827080753&utm_targetid=pla-2436274936294&utm_product_id=1960-027&utm_matchtype=&utm_keyword=&utm_adtype=pla&utm_category=Heating&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22340288845&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIwarinbSUkwMVLQ2tBh1ytD1cEAQYASABEgJdZvD_BwE

Also, how do you get to all these components? From the back? Or through the burner box area? I was hoping to not to have to move the stove, its a little tight to get to the back.

I was thinking just to change the thermocouple out as it is probably the original part from '92? I did not put a meter on anything yet. Can I take off the t-couple and ck mV while out?

Thank you for your time,
Mike

 

[DAKSY]

Seeing as your stove is 34 years old, it’s a good idea to change the entire pilot assembly. If you want to simply change the TC, it’s your call. I would check the mV output of the TC before buying anything. The age of the stove might also mean the valve could be at the end of its useful working lifetime, as well. The pilot assembly of the TC should come out thru the firebox, but accessing the connection points on the valve can be a real PITA, as you can’t see what you are doing. Good luck with your project.

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

Seeing as your stove is 34 years old, it’s a good idea to change the entire pilot assembly. If you want to simply change the TC, it’s your call. I would check the mV output of the TC before buying anything. The age of the stove might also mean the valve could be at the end of its useful working lifetime, as well. The pilot assembly of the TC should come out thru the firebox, but accessing the connection points on the valve can be a real PITA, as you can’t see what you are doing. Good luck with your project.

I agree, the entire assembly should be changed out. I was wondering about the valve as well. You are talking about this correct:

 

[DAKSY]

Yep

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

That symptom is usually caused by a bad thermocouple (TC). To check it you will need a multimeter with alligator clips or another set of hands. The TC needs to be disconnected from the valve. Attach one clip on the copper sheathing & the other clip on the “button” that is inserted into the valve body. Set the meter to vDC. Light the pilot & hold the knob in while you take your reading. A reading less than 27mV generally indicates the TC is failing & needs replacement.

Ordering a new one, dropped to 6 mV

 

[Quadrafire 1992]

IT LIVES! Only took 5 weeks to get the part...but it fit correctly. Purchased here:

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Ensure optimal performance with the 200-2950 Thermocouple 34 Inch repair part. Find high-quality replacement for your equipment. Shop now for durable and reliable parts.

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About 2 feet too long but no big deal. Thanks for all the help DAKSY! Also, it was fairly easy to r-n-r it, the lower exterior cover slid forward to expose everything.