Osburn 2000 wood stove views ?

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Hearthstone 99

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I double-checked the EPA database before posting. Currently, only the Jotul F500v3 is on the tax-credit qualified list from the EPA. If the tech thinks it is, then he should be able to show you the certificate for documentation. I doubt it. Jotul would be marketing the heck out of the F45 if it qualified, like they do for the F500v3. The F45 has no such claim.

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Yeah I’m gutted I really liked this stove but thanks I really appreciate your input, not sure where to go from here my wife is thinking just to put the old stove back, and a coworker gave me the cell phone number of her bro in law who does landscaping and he has wood for free if I help with splitting it
 

Todd

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Nov 19, 2005
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What is the price of the F45 compared to the other stoves you are considering? I know your looking at the tax credit but most of the stoves that qualify are almost twice the cost of the F45 which may make the credit a wash?
 

EatenByLimestone

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Buy the stove you really want. These stoves will last decades if cared for. That 26% might only equal $10-20/year. My wife's happiness is worth $20/year to me. Maybe even $21/year, depending on the day.
 

brenndatomu

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EatenByLimestone

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Yeah, and I’m probably there a good deal, lol. I married a very patient lady.
 

Hearthstone 99

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What is the price of the F45 compared to the other stoves you are considering? I know your looking at the tax credit but most of the stoves that qualify are almost twice the cost of the F45 which may make the credit a wash?

I’m waiting on the price for the f45 , the cheapest we got was for an Osburn 3500 full installation and new flue for $7300 , the down side was the hearth would need to be extended about a minimum 12” , the 2000 was smaller cheaper but still the hearth needed to be out I think 11” whereas the Jotel doesn’t need a bigger hearth it has a heat shield so right now the Jotel is favored but it depends on the price!!
 
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EbS-P

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Have you double checked all these measurements yourself?

The Jotul looks like a deeper stove than the 2000 and both need 16” from the front of the door out. Rear clearance seems similar 11” difference does not make sense to me but I may have overlooked something.

 

Hearthstone 99

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The Jotel guy was very knowledgeable he was I think the owner of the store, he showed us at the back of our old hearthstone the signature carved with a dremel into the soapstone the name of the guy who assembled it 23/24 years ago, pretty cool huh ! He said the stove is probably worth $500 , his father used to sell hearthstones back in the day
Have you double checked all these measurements yourself?

The Jotul looks like a deeper stove than the 2000 and both need 16” from the front of the door out. Rear clearance seems similar 11” difference does not make sense to me but I may have overlooked something.

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the Osburn needs a minimum 54” by 54”hearth , the salesman said our hearth needs to come out another 11” ( chatted over the phone) which means according to him after he emailed Canada Osburn for the requirements a depth of 59” or pretty much 5 feet ? The Osburn does not have a heat shield so I’m wondering if he’s going on the Canadian clearances i.e back with single wall pipe is 14.5” , depth of rove is 29” , then 16” to end of hearth , which pretty much is 5 feet . The Jotel guy was more confidence inspiring he’s been selling stoves for 30 years , he seemed to know his product and didn’t need to email Norway to clarify distances from combustibles , but the F45 is going to be more expensive because it’s a Jotel, my personal feelings are I like the Osburn I’ve seen both stoves bigger versions the big brothers at the dealers, the Osburn 3500 is built like a tank and about a $1000 cheaper than the Jotel Oslo, the only difference is that the 2000 has the tax credit certificate and the F45 doesn’t
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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Have you double checked all these measurements yourself?

The Jotul looks like a deeper stove than the 2000 and both need 16” from the front of the door out. Rear clearance seems similar 11” difference does not make sense to me but I may have overlooked something.

Thanks for looking that up. It didn't jibe with me either, but I had to move on to other work. Sounds like a pushy sales rep.
The Jotul F45 is a deeper stove, which is an advantage for N/S loading, but as far as projection into the room, the Osburn 2000 with double-wall stove pipe projects 4.5" less than the F45. Both have 6" rear clearance with DW stovepipe, but the F45 is 25 7/8" deep while the Osburn 2000 is 21.5" deep.
 
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EbS-P

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Thanks for looking that up. It didn't jibe with me either, but I had to move on to other work. Sounds like a pushy sales rep.
The Jotul F45 is a deeper stove, which is an advantage for N/S loading, but as far as projection into the room, the Osburn 2000 with double-wall stove pipe projects 4.5" less than the F45.
The 2000 is the same firebox as the Drolet 1800. Anyone saying the Jotul qualifies for the tax credit now needs careful scrutiny.
 

kborndale

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The Jotel guy was very knowledgeable he was I think the owner of the store, he showed us at the back of our old hearthstone the signature carved with a dremel into the soapstone the name of the guy who assembled it 23/24 years ago, pretty cool huh ! He said the stove is probably worth $500 , his father used to sell hearthstones back in the day

There is a difference between being knowledgeable and a good bullshitter. Most salesman fall in the latter category.
 
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begreen

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It can leave the customer in a bad place.
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Todd

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What size is your current hearth? The F45 minimum hearth size is L 44”X W30” if I understand the manual correctly.
 

begreen

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What size is your current hearth? The F45 minimum hearth size is L 44”X W30” if I understand the manual correctly.
Correct, but if the hearth goes to the wall then it would need to be 48" deep. 26" + 6" + 16".
 
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Hearthstone 99

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Thanks for looking that up. It didn't jibe with me either, but I had to move on to other work. Sounds like a pushy sales rep.
The Jotul F45 is a deeper stove, which is an advantage for N/S loading, but as far as projection into the room, the Osburn 2000 with double-wall stove pipe projects 4.5" less than the F45. Both have 6" rear clearance with DW stovepipe, but the F45 is 25 7/8" deep while the Osburn 2000 is 21.5" deep.
What size is your current hearth? The F45 minimum hearth size is L 44”X W30” if I understand the manual correctly.
Ours is 60” w X 48” I’m just Remodelling it I’ve got rid of the ugly concrete bricks and I’m going to put down floor tiles, it’s a wood floor so I’ve got galvanized roof flashing to put down first, then cement board then the tiles
 
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begreen

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The F45 is a good stove if that is the final choice, and good-looking too. I like its deeper firebox, just don't like the BS sales pitch.
 

Hearthstone 99

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I like it too, I like the cigar stoves like the 602 , the morso but they aren’t big enough, the only doubt that niggles me a bit is that the Osburn 2000 gets the 26% tax credit, the f45 doesn’t, same size firebox pretty much, 2.3 against 2.4, we could get the Oslo which does qualify but From what I’ve read it’s had issues, but YouTube is full of folks with thef500, I’m not sure what the difference is between the two Oslo stoves maybe it’s the glass door style ? So we wait for the price for the f45,
 

Hearthstone 99

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I’m just wondering if the f45 is going to be enough for a living room 30 x 18 x 10 , and kitchen at the back and hallway to the main bedroom ? The dealer said yes because it’s not like a soapstone heritage.
Wife says she likes the tiles so she wouldn’t mind if the hearth is deeper 😳
 

Todd

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Nov 19, 2005
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I like it too, I like the cigar stoves like the 602 , the morso but they aren’t big enough, the only doubt that niggles me a bit is that the Osburn 2000 gets the 26% tax credit, the f45 doesn’t, same size firebox pretty much, 2.3 against 2.4, we could get the Oslo which does qualify but From what I’ve read it’s had issues, but YouTube is full of folks with thef500, I’m not sure what the difference is between the two Oslo stoves maybe it’s the glass door style ? So we wait for the price for the f45,
I don’t know what Osburn did to get that tax credit? Their HHV and LHV efficiency is less than the F45 but somehow they invented a new “optimum efficiency“ above 75% to achieve the credit. If that flies then other manufactures should follow suit.

looks like your hearth should work for either stove at that size. It will be interesting to see the cost difference.
 
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