# Pacific energy

#### Itslay90

##### Feeling the Heat
So, if my stt is supposed to be 650, then what would the inside of my stove be ?

So, if my stt is supposed to be 650, then what would the inside of my stove be ?
1600 to 1800 in the heart of the fire

Itslay90
1600 to 1800 in the heart of the fire
The reason I asked is. The inside of the stove be 730, I just thought something was wrong for a second. So always take the temp from the stt ? And not the inside ?

I do not know, if I put a piece of metal in the sun, it reaches very high temperatures, so I think that in reality the internal temperatures are not that high, otherwise the metal would turn red

Itslay90
I do not know, if I put a piece of metal in the sun, it reaches very high temperatures, so I think that in reality the internal temperatures are not that high, otherwise the metal would turn red
Thank you !!

Prometeo
I do not know, if I put a piece of metal in the sun, it reaches very high temperatures, so I think that in reality the internal temperatures are not that high, otherwise the metal would turn red
What are we talking about regarding "the inside" of a wood stove.
A properly combusting (clean) woodfire has the temps that bholler mentions - these are temps of the gases, not the metal.
The fact that the metal is shedding heat on the outside means indeed it'll be cooler than those fire temps.

Figure if your getting secondary burn your temps are above 1,100 deg f

What are we talking about regarding "the inside" of a wood stove.
A properly combusting (clean) woodfire has the temps that bholler mentions - these are temps of the gases, not the metal.
The fact that the metal is shedding heat on the outside means indeed it'll be cooler than those fire temps.
as I see it, flame temperature is one thing and it is certainly very high, and combustion chamber temperature is different, it's an average;
the metal around 1000 f turns red and this doesn't happen, except in exceptional cases. Considering that metal amplifies temperatures, I would say that on average the temperature in the combustion chamber is less than 1000 f. Using the stove only with secondaries. If instead with a generous bed of coals, open ash drawer, the discussion changes a lot.

as I see it, flame temperature is one thing and it is certainly very high, and combustion chamber temperature is different, it's an average;
the metal around 1000 f turns red and this doesn't happen, except in exceptional cases. Considering that metal amplifies temperatures, I would say that on average the temperature in the combustion chamber is less than 1000 f. Using the stove only with secondaries. If instead with a generous bed of coals, open ash drawer, the discussion changes a lot.
The firebox temps are over 1000 if burning properly with secondary combustion.

as I see it, flame temperature is one thing and it is certainly very high, and combustion chamber temperature is different, it's an average;
the metal around 1000 f turns red and this doesn't happen, except in exceptional cases. Considering that metal amplifies temperatures, I would say that on average the temperature in the combustion chamber is less than 1000 f. Using the stove only with secondaries. If instead with a generous bed of coals, open ash drawer, the discussion changes a lot.
Metal does not amplify temperature. If.your metal does,.get a patent,.get.to be the richest person in the world, or get the nobel peace prize (the latter two either or).

Kenny said it right.

Metal does not amplify temperature. If.your metal does,.get a patent,.get.to be the richest person in the world, or get the nobel peace prize (the latter two either or).

Kenny said it right.
why metal bodywork of a car to the sun it gets hotter, much warmer than the outside temperature? Shouldn't a metal stove do about the same?

why metal bodywork of a car to the sun it gets hotter, much warmer than the outside temperature? Shouldn't a metal stove do about the same?
That is not amplifying temperatures that is racting to radiant heat from the sun. The sun is putting energy into it and yes the steel is a stove does get much warmer than the outside temps because the fire is putting energy into it

To add to that, the outside steel of a stove is heated by the heat inside, but is cooled by the heat it radiates to your room and by the air flowing past it. It therefore can never reach the temperature of the heat source inside the stove - just as the car sitting in the sunshine never reaches the temperature of the sun.

Nature never concentrates heat on its own. (We can do that, but only after putting energy into the system, see heat pumps.)

bholler
1600 to 1800 in the heart of the fire
Does everything in my firebox looks good?, I noticed the two side rails is red.. is that normal?

Does everything in my firebox looks good?, I noticed the two side rails is red.. is that normal?

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Looks like it has been run pretty hot pretty often. But still ok

Itslay90
Looks like it has been run pretty hot pretty often. But still ok
So , what do you think I should do, don’t burn it too hot? Or just continue what I’m doing.?

So , what do you think I should do, don’t burn it too hot? Or just continue what I’m doing.?
I don't have a clue what's going on with your setup at this point honestly. I don't know if you have the pipe temps under control or not. So just make sure neither the pipe temp or stt are to high an it will be fine

Itslay90
I don't have a clue what's going on with your setup at this point honestly. I don't know if you have the pipe temps under control or not. So just make sure neither the pipe temp or stt are to high an it will be fine
Thank you

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