Ranch Home Heating Question

[bigealta]

i remember on an episode of "Alaska the last frontier" the guy used the same type of metal casing for his woodstove. It must have been 2 or 2 1/2 stories as it went right up thru the middle of his house. The whole thing was just 1 piece if i remember correctly.

Looks like you guys already discussed this this Alaska episode and show.

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Thread 'Alaska's last frontier chimney fire'

Oct 15, 2017

Not sure if anyone watches the show, but the chimney on homestead home caught on fire. The old guy climb up 30-40 ft to top of the roof to shove snow to put out the fire due to creosote buildup. The wife doesn't want him to climb up the ladder no more. He decided to cut a roof access from the attic for putting out future chimney fire. These guys are usually ingenious, have many out of the box solutions to daily challenges. How about having the chimney cleaned once or more per year to rid of creosote? Am I missing something?

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[begreen]

Over built but not engineered. a mild steel pipe certainly has a different properties than a stainless liner. I would be hoping that it’s large enough to drop a liner down. I’d be shopping for 6” stoves too.

We can already say it’s not a UL listed liner. So it doesn’t meet code. It’s probably safe but no one can say for sure.

Sounds like they may have used well casing .

 

[BKVP]

Well casing indeed! I know of a insurance claim that involved "well casing" and claim was denied. It seems well casing has not had proper thermal testing by a lab for use in solid fuel chimney systems.

As to the part about 8" liners, they are not going away. There are fewer large stoves today because emissions limits (reductions) by EPA make it more challenging. I would predict industry will see the return of some "large" fireboxes once the new IDC test method becomes an FRM with EPA. Too much turmoil for mfg's to spend money in development at this time.

BKVP

 

[Whitenuckler]

Well casing indeed! I know of a insurance claim that involved "well casing" and claim was denied. It seems well casing has not had proper thermal testing by a lab for use in solid fuel chimney systems.

As to the part about 8" liners, they are not going away. There are fewer large stoves today because emissions limits (reductions) by EPA make it more challenging. I would predict industry will see the return of some "large" fireboxes once the new IDC test method becomes an FRM with EPA. Too much turmoil for mfg's to spend money in development at this time.

BKVP

I tired to look this up:

Development of an integrated duty cycle test method to assess cordwood stove performance - PubMed

The US Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA's) New Source Performance Standards (NSPS) for Residential Wood Heaters (RWH) require certification emission testing of prototype appliances. In 2015, EPA revised those standards to further reduce particulate matter emissions from this critical...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Air Monitoring Methods - Criteria Pollutants | US EPA

Information describing EPA’s federally approved air monitoring methods

www.epa.gov

This is good stuff. Thanks

 

[BKVP]

I tired to look this up:

Development of an integrated duty cycle test method to assess cordwood stove performance - PubMed

The US Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA's) New Source Performance Standards (NSPS) for Residential Wood Heaters (RWH) require certification emission testing of prototype appliances. In 2015, EPA revised those standards to further reduce particulate matter emissions from this critical...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Air Monitoring Methods - Criteria Pollutants | US EPA

Information describing EPA’s federally approved air monitoring methods

www.epa.gov

This is good stuff. Thanks

Interestingly, a B.C. Regional agency was suggesting the use of a community wide distribution of Purple Air monitors.

I made a call, followed by emails to the mfg of the monitors. My question was "are Purple Air monitors the correct tool to be used by agencies setting emissions limits, policies and restrictions?"

Respone was "No sir."

Emissions inventory data require very premise collection equipment and detailed planning. When monitors were placed throughout Libby MT after mandatory stove changeout program, one single poorly placed monitor skewed the data. Turns out it was positioned within 6' off a stack connected to an old wood indoor furnace. Once relocation of monitors and removal of the furnace were completed, turns out the changeout was successful.

For this very reason I remain highly connected and involved in data narratives.

BKVP