Replacing Air Chamber Jotul 602 CB (again): Best metal to use?

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nola mike

Minister of Fire
Sep 13, 2010
896
Richmond/Montross, Virginia
So when I got the stove, the secondary air chamber was warped. I removed it and straightened it, and it lasted until 2017. At that point, I replaced the whole air chamber and partially rebuilt the stove. Last year developed an air leak and a couple of bad overfires, which warped the metal in the chamber again. New air chamber is now $280, which includes the cast upper housing (which is fine on mine). I think I'm going to just fab a piece of sheet metal to replace. I measured the old, and it's about 1mm, so 20 gauge. I thought it was stainless, but it's magnetic, so now I'm wondering if it's just mild steel. Does anyone know what type of metal can/should be used in this application? I'm going to go the local sheetmetal place tomorrow to get their input. Then of course, I'm going to need to figure out how to bend it...
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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Do you just need the bottom, stepped plate with the secondary air holes? That is the Air manifold. It's stainless and may be magnetic.
 

begreen

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I'd definitely have it made up out of stainless for this application.

Stainless steel grades 409, 430, and 439 are also known as ferritic stainless steels because they have iron in the alloy. They are magnetic. Austenitic stainless is not magnetic.
 
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nola mike

Minister of Fire
Sep 13, 2010
896
Richmond/Montross, Virginia
Stainless steel grades 409, 430, and 439 are also known as ferritic stainless steels because they have iron in the alloy. They are magnetic. Austenitic stainless is not magnetic.
Yeah, thought they'd use a more common 304 or 316. Those are the only ones readily available that I've found
 

nola mike

Minister of Fire
Sep 13, 2010
896
Richmond/Montross, Virginia
Ok, so that was a giant PITA. Brought the metal piece to a shop. They were convinced that it was just 16g mild steel. The piece that I had cut seemed a bit thinner. We'll see how it holds up. Unfortunately, removing that manifold again required me removing the top, front, and back of the stove. Took forever to reassemble because of cleaning off the old cement. I ended up grinding the edges of the air chamber before reassembly so that it can be removed in the future if needed. Worst case, I'll need to remove the top and the rear baffle. Bending the sheet metal was a trick as well. The sheetmetal brake that I have couldn't handle making the middle bends in opposite directions, nor could it handle the edge bends. So I ended up using a vise and BFH, which is not a precision method. It came out pretty good in the end though, and if a secondary burn is possible on this stove, it's going to happen now.

Old sheet metal. It had warped and separated from the edges of the air chamber, essentially not routing any secondary air.
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I ground down the front edge and the relief in the middle (where my finger is) so that it could clear the mounting shelf. It looks like it was designed to be removed without all the drama, but I had to disassemble the last time I did this as well. Not doing that again.
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It ended up fitting the cast iron pretty well. Not going to win any beauty contests, but I think it will work fine. The fit from the factory was pretty sloppy; when I bought the whole chamber 5 years ago I ended up re-cementing the seams.
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Finished product. My hole drilling also wasn't pretty. I was starting to run out of patience...
Most important thing is that the air chamber is leak free and seals with the rear baffle.

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For $30...I dunno, a lot of time. Hopefully won't be a next time, but I'll be able to do much quicker if I do.
Now just need to sweep the chimney, and we should be ready to roll!
 
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nola mike

Minister of Fire
Sep 13, 2010
896
Richmond/Montross, Virginia
Finally fired it up today for the first time. Worked well, easy to control (but still pretty warm here). There was a very little bit of secondary action, but I've never had much on this stove. We'll see how long it lasts. I had a hell of a time getting the side shields in. The bottom shield was warped, so there wasn't enough clearance. Used a grinder on the lower shelf and a touch on the shields to get them in there.
 

nola mike

Minister of Fire
Sep 13, 2010
896
Richmond/Montross, Virginia
Well, that experiment failed (you were right BG). Worked well until a week or 2 ago. Noticed it running hotter. Then got real hot. Noticed a giant hole in my new manifold. I did have a pretty significant over fire earlier in the season, dunno how much that contributed to it. I made a sheet metal patch to limp to the end of the season (we're pretty much there). Now need to figure out if it would be better to find an actual metal fabricator to make it with some thicker stainless or just bite the bullet and but the whole stupid $275 part. I wish they just sold that sheet metal part...
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begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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It's a small piece. Bring your part to a decent sheet metal shop as a template and have them cut some stainless and bend it up.
 
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