Semi-slammer & new liner?

[bluedogz]

In my bulletproof 20's I'd have done exactly what you did. Now in my bullet-riddled 40's I actually watch the Rockford video that says not to do that...

 

[WoodpileOCD]

In my bulletproof 20's I'd have done exactly what you did. Now in my bullet-riddled 40's I actually watch the Rockford video that says not to do that...

Damn... there was a video that told you how to and not to do the install. Oh well, when in doubt read the directions.

At 60 my body looks like swiss cheese from all the holes. :coolsmirk:

 

[rwhite]

No way I'd get on an extension ladder at 35'. Those things get pretty rickety when they get extended that far. I got a 24' ladder and when I get it out to 17-18' that thing feels like it's made from spaghetti. I'd rent a cherry picker or build some cleats on the upper roof to level a ladder. Cherry picker is probably a few hundred a day but it may be worth it.

My family of firefighters disagrees, but your point is taken.

Worst case scenario, I rent a man-lift at around $200 for the day. There's a rental place a few miles away that has them.

I know for sure that there is equipment out there better than what I have. But most home owners (me included) have the home depot special extension ladder and they ain't made for what firefighters do. And I know I ain't made for what they do. Spent my life fighting wildland fire and there's no way I want to crawl up a ladder to a burning building. I respect those guys for what they do for sure.

 

[bluedogz]

bluedogz: A man lift is the way to go in that situation. Depending on the class of ladder you have it would be stable enough I think but you wouldn't. I just dropped/forced my 8" liner down my chimney and it was a lot heavier and unweildly than I expected it to be. If you look at the pics I was relatively secure on a small ladder braced against the chimney. When that thing starts to swing around on you and go off the roof it has all the leverage and you have none. Your/mine instinct is to do whatever you can to keep it from doing that and it happens in a split second. (This is from very personal experience gained yesterday) Granted you will be dealing with a 6" so it should be better but if it were me I'd opt for a lift but then again, I'm 60 and not nearly as strong or agile as I used to be. Not as bulletproof as I was in my 20's either but thats another unrelated thread I'm sure. :cheese:

I know you have been following my install thread and here are some pics of yesterdays wrasslin match. https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/84695/

Towable 1-man lift is $150 for 1/2 day. Ladder (40') is $60/day. The lift, by those numbers, is a no-brainer.

 

[WoodpileOCD]

No brainer indeed. From your pictures it looks like the ladder would have to sit against a corner of the chimney which makes it even more unstable. Get everything planned out and laid out so you don't need it for more than half day and rent the lift. Saving $90 won't mean squat laying in a hospital bed.

 

[bluedogz]

No brainer indeed. From your pictures it looks like the ladder would have to sit against a corner of the chimney which makes it even more unstable. Get everything planned out and laid out so you don't need it for more than half day and rent the lift. Saving $90 won't mean squat laying in a hospital bed.

True dat. I've also roped in a co-worker's 21-year-old son to ride the lift. Down side is that my only available day is a Sunday, meaning I'll have to rent for a full day @ $200. Still worth it.

Actually, my original plan was to go straight up to the short side of the chimney facing the camera; that is, a straight shot from the ground with a 40' ladder. Laddering from roof to roof looked like a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Hogwildz]

Blue, when are yous setting up to do the install? Sunday tomorrow? Or the following weekend?
Wrestling a 25' liner in the basket of that man lift is not going to be very easy. Would be easier with another man on the roof to hold the end while one guy puts it into the chimney and works it down.
If you either make a cone out of the end of the liner, or attach something with a cone like shape, it will go down much easier than the flat cut ends hitting every ledge, joint, etc. Spinning a 25' pc of liner is not very easy either.
Can't get down this weekend, but may be able to make it the following.

 

[bluedogz]

Blue, when are yous setting up to do the install? Sunday tomorrow? Or the following weekend?
Wrestling a 25' liner in the basket of that man lift is not going to be very easy. Would be easier with another man on the roof to hold the end while one guy puts it into the chimney and works it down.
If you either make a cone out of the end of the liner, or attach something with a cone like shape, it will go down much easier than the flat cut ends hitting every ledge, joint, etc. Spinning a 25' pc of liner is not very easy either.
Can't get down this weekend, but may be able to make it the following.

Hogz- You have a point. Target date is NEXT Sunday 12/11.

My idea was to actually tie or strap the liner to the bucket BEFORE lifting it, then have it tag along for the ride up as I direct the bucket over the flue. That way the kid in the bucket won't be wrestling the snake as the bucket rises.

I think 'working it down' will have to happen from the bottom- plan is to attach a rope or strap to the pre-attached tee and pull it down. There are no obvious flaws in the masonry or flue that would hang up the liner.

It would be great if you can make it... feel free to drop a PM here and I'll get you the address. Think of your ride to Port Deposit. One extra turn gets you here.

 

[WoodpileOCD]

Have your camera ready. Video would be even sweeter.

 

[Hogwildz]

PM sent. Unless something from work comes up, or some kind of emergency. I am going to do my best to be there.
Hve good snips, good gloves, an some duct tape.
S.S. can be a groan to cut, but will cut your hands real easily and good. The tape & gloves will make it much easier.
Do you ahve a ladder to get on the roof, just in case its needed? Screw gun etc?

 

[bluedogz]

PM sent. Unless something from work comes up, or some kind of emergency. I am going to do my best to be there.
Hve good snips, good gloves, an some duct tape.
S.S. can be a groan to cut, but will cut your hands real easily and good. The tape & gloves will make it much easier.
Do you ahve a ladder to get on the roof, just in case its needed? Screw gun etc?

Wow!

I have snips, gloves (er... glove), duct tape, hacksaw, sawzall, screw gun(s), etc. Multiple ladders for roofing if necessary. All the bits n pieces like caulk, SS screws, chisel, etc.

As you know, I've been planning this for weeks so I've been trying to think of anything the might be necessary. Pretty sure I've got it all.

 

[bluedogz]

Update: unrolled and straightened the liner, got all the kinks out. OCD was right- 'flexible' is relative. Pretty much got it fully straightened out and got the tee attached properly. Laid out all conceivable tools... Mrs. Blue and I will get the insulation wrap on next Saturday afternoon after school so it's ready to blast off Sunday morning.

 

[WoodpileOCD]

Flexible compared to rigid pipe I guess.

Not as much as you I'm sure, but I'm looking forward to this install of yours and I think it's the coolest thing that you've got another hearth member coming down to help you with it. What a place. :lol: ( You better document it well my friend (pics) you've got a lot of people hooked in now. At least those of us who are in the midst of installs are.

My Perlite came yesterday and I'm hoping to pick up my Roxul that I order at the local Lowes tomorrow and get moving again on mine. I'm having withdrawals and sick of the gas heat running. Good luck with the weather. :bug:

 

[bluedogz]

This was looking to be an adventure from the get-go, and thenm Hogwildz offer was a boon that'll make Christmas much warmer!

I am losing sleep worrying these folks will show up and I forgot something stupid... "Does the tee need a flat head or a Phillips? Do I need silicone caulk? Do I have sawzall blades? Wait... what about the hacksaw?..."