Hello everyone, this is my first post here. Ive been reading here for sometime though. Now I have a question. Im picking up an englander 30 today, so will be doing an install shortly. Plan on using lowes super vent products. Question, is it proper and safe to run the single wall stove pipe right up to the ceiling support and stove pipe adapter. It seems the ceiling would get hot with the stove pipe that close. Hope this makes sense.
Single wall stove pipe to ceiling
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I don't know...but my doube wall gets hot enough to make me real nervous. Maybe people have been doingthat for ages but I would not. You might need to contact a pro in youarea for that question/istall.
It will be a couple of days before I start the install,but will post some when I start. I would really like to have an 18" piece of insulated double wall below the ceiling support but dont t know if that is possible.
Yes it is fine to do that; you may need an adaptor, depending on the support box and the brand of pipe. I am not familiar with the Lowe's stuff.
By adaptors, I mean to connect the two different pipes, though again I am not familiar with that brand and don't know for certain. No doubt someone here will know all about it, though.
As others said, you may not really need that piece of double-walled pipe, but I don't blame you for installing it anyway and gaining some peace of mind. With wood heating, it pays to be conservative.
By adaptors, I mean to connect the two different pipes, though again I am not familiar with that brand and don't know for certain. No doubt someone here will know all about it, though.
As others said, you may not really need that piece of double-walled pipe, but I don't blame you for installing it anyway and gaining some peace of mind. With wood heating, it pays to be conservative.
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The proper ceiling support box is designed and installed so as to be safe with single wall hooked to it. Read the directions and install it as directed.
That 18" is measured perpendicular to the pipe. Meaning the back vertical wall must be 18" away (and parallel) to the pipe.
I installed my NC30 with wingle wall vertical to the ceiling in my shop but haven't skinned the ceiling yet. I expect it to be warm above the stove whether I used double wall or single wall.
That 18" is measured perpendicular to the pipe. Meaning the back vertical wall must be 18" away (and parallel) to the pipe.
I installed my NC30 with wingle wall vertical to the ceiling in my shop but haven't skinned the ceiling yet. I expect it to be warm above the stove whether I used double wall or single wall.
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Kool_hand_Looke
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Just had a new Quad installed. Ran single wall. Dealer tried hard to sell double wall saying things like "it's safe for kids, if someone accidentally touches it, etc". Thy was their selling points.
Cant accidentally touch this pipe...and we dont have kids.
After that, they backed off and said I didn't need it.
Cant accidentally touch this pipe...and we dont have kids.
After that, they backed off and said I didn't need it.
Freaking hilarious. Nevermind touching the 500 degree (MAX!) exterior of a single wall pipe when there is an 800 degree humungous metal box right down there at chest level to the kid. The glass can often be much hotter than the stove top too.
A better selling point would be that the double wall connector pipe has a stainless steel interior pipe that will last for decades compared to single wall being mild steel that may only last a few years depending on several factors. Also less creosote and better draft. It's just better stuff but you'll pay for it.
NHcpa
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I want to thank everyone for your insight on this. I picked up my stove this evening and went ahead and bought the super vent ceiling support kit at lowes. The illustrations that came wiith it says single wall is ok just be sure of my clearances from the wall. I guess the first few fires next winter will be a lot of observation. Thanks again
I used the Selkirk stuff but got it at Menards.
I just installed my NC30 on Tues., and put up Selkirk doublewall stove pipe for it's added benefits as Highbeam pointed out.
I got the slider piece that extends from 38" to 68". VERY easy to install.
I had single wall Heatfab on my prior setup to the Selkirk ceiling support. No problem.
I just installed my NC30 on Tues., and put up Selkirk doublewall stove pipe for it's added benefits as Highbeam pointed out.
I got the slider piece that extends from 38" to 68". VERY easy to install.
I had single wall Heatfab on my prior setup to the Selkirk ceiling support. No problem.
Thanks hot coals. I was just concerned about the heat off the stove pipe concentrating in that area at the ceiling support
It's double wall stove pipe......uninsulated. Just a 1/4" airspace. Class A is insulated.
Are you aware of the R-value requirement for this stove?
We love pics, so would love to see your install and hear about it as well.
Welcome to the Hearth.
Are you aware of the R-value requirement for this stove?
We love pics, so would love to see your install and hear about it as well.
Welcome to the Hearth.
Kool_hand_Looke
Feeling the Heat
As far as pictures, I will try to get some but install might be a while away. Im debating locations. I was going in a corner but now am thinking about center of wall which will include moving a sliding glass door down 2' and moving my pool table
No probs here..same ceiling since 86 when house was built. I'm sure it must be a little dryer in that area though.
mepellet
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Taking about the hearth r value. I can't remember exactly but want to say the nc30 might have a high r value requirement. I went with a wood stove that only requires ember protection. However, My pellet stove requires a r value in the hearth board. Go figure....
That's the main reason I have not switched to double.
I was concerned when switching to the cat BK because of lower stack temps but since the whole flue is in the house things are fine with once a year cleanings.
My house is on a slab. Stove will be sitting on concrete
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