What pellets do you like this year?

JR52

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Jan 8, 2017
60
Pennsylvania
That has to be delivered unless electric generation charges are really $0.18 or the chart is inconsistent.
 
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SciGuy

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Aug 17, 2007
100
Constableville, NY
Not sure how a heat pump can be 250% efficient though - you can't produce more than available :)
The thing is that it's extract not produce. One kilowatt hour of electrical energy can be converted directly to 3412 btus of heat energy or it can be used to extract several times that amount of heat energy from air that's even at temperatures we sense as very cold. Remember that materials have heat energy at all temperatures above absolute zero which is minus 459.67 degrees Fahrenheit. So cooling air from -10*F to - 20*F there is still extractable energy within the air.
 
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bogieb

Minister of Fire
Oct 31, 2014
2,730
South Central NH
That has to be delivered unless electric generation charges are really $0.18 or the chart is inconsistent.
I don't know how they came to get 18 cents per kwh as an electric rate either since I'm paying 21 cents per kwh with the largest provider in the state (including all fees, taxes delivery charges etc).
 

Pete Zahria

Minister of Fire
Jan 6, 2014
1,110
New Hampster
mcmanusfuels.com
The difference between the cost that @Pete Zahria shows and the chart may be "delivery charges" or may just be his particular area.
I live in the city.

It's what it cost, to get a therm into the house!
Sure.. the "therm" price is less..
But the bottom line is, you need to take the amount you write the check for,
and divide by the number of therms used..
THAT is how much a therm cost YOU...


Dan
 
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JR52

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Jan 8, 2017
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Pennsylvania
Obviously you need to calculate using the all-in cost but your all-in cost is significantly outside the norm. As an example, utility set rates (higher than open market) where I am is $0.51 generation, $0.3625 distribution, small amount in taxes and a set fee of $11.75/month. Based on a quick Google search, PA is in the top 10 for LG costs. Your situation seems to be well beyond unique and, in most places, you'd really need to find a deal on pellets for it to be better than LG.
 

Pete Zahria

Minister of Fire
Jan 6, 2014
1,110
New Hampster
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you'd really need to find a deal on pellets for it to be better than LG.
I don't understand what you are saying.
I use pellets.
Pellets are cheaper than NG.
I have both.
I pay more for gas than pellets.
I don't have to find a "deal" on pellets.
Everyone has pellets cheaper than NG here..
 
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Pete Zahria

Minister of Fire
Jan 6, 2014
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New Hampster
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where I am is $0.51 generation, $0.3625 distribution, small amount in taxes and a set fee of $11.75/month.
Where I am
the gas is .89... distribution is .67 ... customer charge is 21.36.
So yes.. if I used twice as much, the cost would be like 1.80 per therm, because of the fixed cost.
 
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dotman17

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Dec 21, 2017
115
Everett, WA
@bogieb a cord of wood is $467 in NH? I can get a green cord for $200 here or $300 for dry in the offseason. Delivered and stacked that probably goes up $50 or more. But often I'm able to get my wood free providing I do ALL the labor on it. And of course I have to season it.
 
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dotman17

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Dec 21, 2017
115
Everett, WA
I don't know how they came to get 18 cents per kwh as an electric rate either since I'm paying 21 cents per kwh with the largest provider in the state (including all fees, taxes delivery charges etc).
You're not going to like me... but I pay 11 cents.
 
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JR52

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In most places (you left that out for some reason).... your price is nearly double mine when I already live in a place where NG is on the high side, seems unrealistic for a commodity to have that level of variation. I'm guessing you won't find many people on here that are saving using pellets vs NG but I could be wrong...
 

tlc1976

Feeling the Heat
Oct 7, 2012
341
Northwest Lower Michigan
Even if I had natural gas in my area, my gas (LP) boiler heats the basement too and there's no reasonable way to change that. The pellet stove heats the living area. So pellets are WAY cheaper than gas for me.
 
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greg13

Minister of Fire
Jan 5, 2012
903
CNY
Just me, but the way I look at it is the heat is paid for. I don't like surprises in the mail at the end of the month.

Just put another ton of barefoot in the shed yesterday.
 
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dotman17

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Dec 21, 2017
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Everett, WA
Just me, but the way I look at it is the heat is paid for. I don't like surprises in the mail at the end of the month.

Just put another ton of barefoot in the shed yesterday.
I'm with you. It seems to be easier to fix into one's budget.
 
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bogieb

Minister of Fire
Oct 31, 2014
2,730
South Central NH
You're not going to like me... but I pay 11 cents.
We have some of the highest electric (and LP) costs in the nation. The only surprise would be if you paid MORE than we do:)
 

bogieb

Minister of Fire
Oct 31, 2014
2,730
South Central NH
@bogieb a cord of wood is $467 in NH? I can get a green cord for $200 here or $300 for dry in the offseason. Delivered and stacked that probably goes up $50 or more. But often I'm able to get my wood free providing I do ALL the labor on it. And of course I have to season it.
Yes, we understand all types of HH fuels are cheaper over there in WA - you can also get DF's for very cheap compared to us (if we can get them at all). .
 

batchman

Burning Hunk
Oct 29, 2013
197
Backwoods MA
Hello everyone

New pellet stove user, being installed on 1/19, Enviro M55 insert.

I have been trolling the interwebs researching for pellets, recommendations, pricing, reviews for here on Long Island, NY.
For frellen sake the prices here are outrageous!.Below is from https://bravosdoor.com/
Looks to me like those guys have your market cornered, but you should know that the black bag Okanagans are *old*. They've been gone a couple years, that company is now Northern Warmth. Just thought you should know - if you happened to buy them -yike$- they are well past their "sell by" date. I store my pellets outside (well covered) and find they lose 15-20 degrees at my measuring point by the next season. I'm stuck though, as I need to have a ton ready until the ground freezes and I can take delivery.

I will add though that since your M55 is the same burning guts as my Maxx-M, I run low ash pellets and clean the stove once a year or so "just because". Actually one year I only cleaned the exhaust side, so it's "every year or two". Yes, that's why I run low ash pellets - "I know what I'm like".

Average price for HHF in NH - stats supplied by the state.
That's great research, thanks for the facts. Just wish I could get Propane anywhere near that price - my supplier is now $5.05/gallon. Thank goodness it only heats my garage/outbuilding - I barely afford keeping it at 40deg. Their cordwood cost looks wacky though, I've never seen >$300 (seasoned) unless there's a shortage.

Back to the thread topic, I'm running Turmans this year, after mostly Okie Plats (now Northern Warmth Spruce). Lowest ash I've measured, including the DFs I tried. Now I'm only worried somehow the ash is making it through to the vent, we'll see about that.

Cheers,
Jeff
 
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Nov 20, 2018
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Connecticut
. . . you should know that the black bag Okanagans are *old*. They've been gone a couple years, that company is now Northern Warmth. . . .
I'm confused, because we just bought some from our stove dealer, and they are from a current shipment. I tried to do some research on the Interwebz, but the results are inconclusive.

As far as I can tell, the Okanagan Pellet Company was formerly owned by Viridis Energy and is now owned by American Biomass Distribution, LLC. From what I can tell, the pellet mill is or was in British Columbia, but the bags I have all say "made in U.S.A." I can, however, find no pellet mill on the pellet-makers' association Web site that says anything about Okanagan or American Biomass.

My stove dealer told me that the Okanagan Douglas fir pellets come from Oregon. The Web site, www.okanaganpellets.com, says that American Biomass LLC, or at least its Okanagan Pellet Company division, is located in Bedford, New Hampshire. That Web site also says that Okanagan is wholly owned by American Biomass, which acquired the operation from Viridis, and that Northern Warmth has nothing to do with Okanagan.

The American Biomass Web site, www.americanbiomass.com, mentions "a wide selection of brands," but the only pellet brands mentioned on that site are Cleanfire and Granules LG. There is no street address or contact name, but Bloomberg gives their address as Goffstown, New Hampshire.

Northern Warmth does sell Dougls fir pellets, and their Web site gives a contact address in Upton, Massachusetts.

So somebody is still making pellets under the Okanagan name, but it seems pretty clear it's not Northern Warmth.

If anyone has information more accurate than this, I'd love to be brought up to date.