Wood stove location?

[NVHunter]

Ok, I've posted a few different threads before on this and I have one final location I'm thinking about.

It's going to take a little alteration but all of the spots I've looked at require it.

This is where a gas fireplace is currently at. It's 24" deep, with the hearth sticking out another 12". My idea is this, take the fireplace out, frame the top of alcove up to 9' and extend the hearth another 16" then put a nice stone on the hearth.

The hearth is 20" tall with another 87" to the top of it. It's also 84" wide.

My question is, will this support the weight of a cape cod lopi? 600 lbs is what it's said to weight. Also, I have to offset the chimney connector pipe to run the chimney up the side of the house. Can I use chimney connector elbows to do this inside the alcove?

Here are some pictures of the current fire place and a drawing of my idea.

Thanks

 

[My Oslo heats my home]

I can't see why not, if you did some proper framing on the hearth that it would support the 600# stove. And, I'm not sure I understood your scenario to change the gas fireplace to a free standing stove. Would the rear wall of the alcove (where the direct vent is) be the new wall behind the stove once the gas FP is removed? If so, I assume the alcove side windows would remain, yes? If I'm track with those two things I will also assume that you will be going straight up with single walled stove pipe to the alcove ceiling and going out the alcove roof and up the side of the 2nd floor of the house?

 

[NVHunter]

Yes you are exactly on track with my idea. Completely remove the gas FP and the wall where the mirror is now up to the ceiling line where the windows are.

The alcoves new wall would be back where it is currently at with the windows giving me 24" of new hearth space.

Then I'd use double wall stove pipe to either go straight up ( might have to use an elbow to offset to avoid the outside wall with the chimney) or a wall exit and then straight up the side of the house.

I'd probably frame the chimney in as it exits the alcove roof and travels up the side of the house.

Should work I think.

Thanks

 

[My Oslo heats my home]

So you think you will need an offset to complete the class A run? How far will the rear of the stove be from the rear wall of the alcove? From the pics it looks like the run would be straight up. Then again who's to say what kind of roof framing there is in the alcove roof to deal with

 

[Grisu]

Have you thought about putting a nice zero-clearance fireplace in that space? Would look much nicer IMHO and you would probably not need to tear everything up. Modern units get the same efficiencies as woodstoves. The only drawback is they require a blower but I suspect the resale value of your house will be higher than with a woodstove so prominently up there. The units I am talking about are the Napoleon NZ3000, Kozyheat 42, Heat $& Glo Northstar etc.

 

[Stax]

Free stander on a nice built up stone hearth!

 

[NVHunter]

I have 4 stoves I can choose from. The Lopi Cape Cod, and the three Blaze King 30 models, Chinook, Sirocco, and Ashford.

The reason is the county I live in requires all homes on less than an acre can only have wood stoves with a particulate exhaust of 1.0 grams/ hour or less... I have .75 of an acre so only these four stoves are all I get to choose from. So, I don't think there's a zero clearance stove that would fall into that emission limit.

As for the offset. I've been crunching the numbers for clearances for all the stoves. The chimney would be less than the required 2" if I went straight up from the stove. Therefore if I use 2, 45 degree elbows I'll be able to offset the stove pipe and allow the chimney to go straight up the side of the house to the roof, through the edge of the eve.

So with that said, what are your opinions on these stoves?

Anyone have personal experience with any of them?

Thanks again for the input!

Ps - I think a free standing stove with nice stone hearthe will look great too

 

[weatherguy]

Did you read Webby's thread on his Cape Cod?

 

[NVHunter]

Yes, sounds like he's switched to the Ashford, that's what I like too. You can dial the Blaze King way down and get long burn times to keep it warm instead of quick blast of heat.

Still not sure which stove I want to go with though... The cape cod is huge too!

 

[Grisu]

I have 4 stoves I can choose from. The Lopi Cape Cod, and the three Blaze King 30 models, Chinook, Sirocco, and Ashford.

The reason is the county I live in requires all homes on less than an acre can only have wood stoves with a particulate exhaust of 1.0 grams/ hour or less... I have .75 of an acre so only these four stoves are all I get to choose from. So, I don't think there's a zero clearance stove that would fall into that emission limit.

As for the offset. I've been crunching the numbers for clearances for all the stoves. The chimney would be less than the required 2" if I went straight up from the stove. Therefore if I use 2, 45 degree elbows I'll be able to offset the stove pipe and allow the chimney to go straight up the side of the house to the roof, through the edge of the eve.

So with that said, what are your opinions on these stoves?

Anyone have personal experience with any of them?

Thanks again for the input!

Ps - I think a free standing stove with nice stone hearthe will look great too

Did not know that but take a look at the Hybrid-Fyre inserts here: http://www.fireplacex.com/ProductGuide/FuelTypeOverview.aspx?fueltype=wood&fueltab=0 I think those would look great there, too.

 

[NVHunter]

I really like the hybrid inserts! There are 2 that qualify for the emission limit I have to stay under but it looks like they need to be installed into a masonry fireplace or like area...

This area is simple 2x4 framing with zero masonry. I still think the simplest idea is to remove the wall above the gas stove to the back wall, remove the gas fireplace and then put down a nice stone hearthe and throw one of those four stoves into the alcove.

Now to choose which stove

 

[Grisu]

I really like the hybrid inserts! There are 2 that qualify for the emission limit I have to stay under but it looks like they need to be installed into a masonry fireplace or like area...

Took a look at the manual and you are probably right. Sorry for the misleading post.

This area is simple 2x4 framing with zero masonry. I still think the simplest idea is to remove the wall above the gas stove to the back wall, remove the gas fireplace and then put down a nice stone hearthe and throw one of those four stoves into the alcove.

Now to choose which stove

After some recent posts here that casted some doubts over the Cape Cod I would go with a Blazeking. For the three you mentioned I think they are essentially all the same stove just with a different outfit. (The specs are all the same.) Maybe get the hearth done, then photoshop some pictures in there and go with what looks best in your eyes.

 

[NVHunter]

Thanks Grisu! Your post wasn't miss leading.

That's a good idea to photo shop the stove into the alcove once the hearthe is done.

Thanks again

 

[weatherguy]

Yes, sounds like he's switched to the Ashford, that's what I like too. You can dial the Blaze King way down and get long burn times to keep it warm instead of quick blast of heat.

Still not sure which stove I want to go with though... The cape cod is huge too!

His Cape Cod cracked, apparently there's been some issues with the CC, I'd read through his thread and do a little more research, hate to see you do all that work and then have trouble with the stove.

https://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/the-cape-cod-is-cracked-now-what.117657/#post-1575203

 

[NVHunter]

Yes I agree, the more I read and think about it, the more I lean towards the Blaze King stoves.

They seem easier to install (their clearances are less than the cape cod and the alcove clearances and limits are way less) and they weight less, cost less and burn more consistent and longer. Might not put out as much heat at one time but they are pretty close it sounds like if you get the fans and the convection plate for the Sirocco 30.

I'm leaning more and more towards it.

The $1,000 price difference helps too...

 

[ian105]

Just curious - what did you end up doing? Did you extend the chase to contain the class A, or just shoot it through the roof of the alcove and leave it exposed? Post pics if you got it finished!

 

[NVHunter]

Just curious - what did you end up doing? Did you extend the chase to contain the class A, or just shoot it through the roof of the alcove and leave it exposed? Post pics if you got it finished!

Haven't done it yet (due to not enough $$$ yet) but my HOA says the class A needs to be in a chase. Is gonna be a little more work and money but on the plus side the chimney will stay warmer equalling reduced creosote buildup.

Sorry for no progress yet...

 

[begreen]

Did not know that but take a look at the Hybrid-Fyre inserts here: http://www.fireplacex.com/ProductGuide/FuelTypeOverview.aspx?fueltype=wood&fueltab=0 I think those would look great there, too.

A wood insert is not an option in a gas fireplace.

 

[NVHunter]

Nope, knew that. How's a zero clearance fireplace work? There's a Heat n' Glo slim natural gas fireplace in there right now.

Do the zc fireplaces sit inside the sheet metal boxes this fireplace was in?

 

[Grisu]

A wood insert is not an option in a gas fireplace.

Old thread. I had suggested to replace the gas insert with a ZC wood fireplace but did not realize that the units I recommended were inserts. We corrected that error already.

 

[begreen]

Nope, knew that. How's a zero clearance fireplace work? There's a Heat n' Glo slim natural gas fireplace in there right now.

Do the zc fireplaces sit inside the sheet metal boxes this fireplace was in?

No, a ZC fireplace and the sheetmetal box they come in are one unit. Look at the installation manual for your Heat n' Glo to see how it is made.

 

[Grisu]

Nope, knew that. How's a zero clearance fireplace work? There's a Heat n' Glo slim natural gas fireplace in there right now.

Do the zc fireplaces sit inside the sheet metal boxes this fireplace was in?

The sheet metal box they come in make them a ZC fireplace. Due to those you can build the whole unit into a wooden chase without risking to set everything on fire. For a replacement you would pull out the whole metal firebox you have now until there is only a hole in the wall and then put a new ZC firebox in. You would probably need to open up a sidewall of your current fireplace to do all that but in your special case that does not look too difficult. Probably not more work than tearing everything down and you would keep the same look (if you want to).

To give you an idea look at the scheme a little bit down the page: (broken link removed to http://www.dubuquefireplaceandpatio.com/fireplace-wood.php)

 

[NVHunter]

Can anyone show me a zero clearance wood fire place that emits 1 gram or less of particulate matter per hour?

Thanks

 

[Grisu]

Can anyone show me a zero clearance wood fire place that emits 1 gram or less of particulate matter per hour?

Thanks

Now I remember WHY I recommended those units. Finding a ZC fireplace with those emission limits may be close to impossible. I am not aware of one that would fit the bill but we have way more knowledgeable people here. You would need to look for a catalytic one or even a Hybrid like the insert I suggested earlier. Maybe ask fireplaceXtraordinaire whether they have plans to make a ZC fireplace with Hybrid technology such as the inserts. That may be your best shot.

 

[NVHunter]

Yea I've been looking everywhere online and haven't found a zero clearance which meets my requirements for 1 gram or less per hour.

I'll try them thanks