Your new stove is going to come with a skull and crossbones government warning

Easy Livin’ 3000

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Dec 23, 2015
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I get a noticeable amount of ash settling around the room after a cleanout even if I run a filtered fan while I'm doing it.

I don't doubt that a lifetime of getting wood and burning it has taken a few years off my lungs' expiration date. I'm in favor of the skulls and crossbones sticker for new stoves, and also I'd like them to send me one or two to put on my old stove. (And about 30 for my ring of rocks that I burn brush and toast marshmallows in, that one is extra hazardous to your lungs.)
I've also done some things that have taken some years off my cardiovascular's original warranty period. I'm ok with it, because I'm am absolutely sure it was worth it. Just one example is sitting here by this toasty stove right now, apparently. Plus, lingering around for too long at the end is no fun, for anyone.
 

SpaceBus

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Nov 18, 2018
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Downeast Maine
I get a noticeable amount of ash settling around the room after a cleanout even if I run a filtered fan while I'm doing it.

I don't doubt that a lifetime of getting wood and burning it has taken a few years off my lungs' expiration date. I'm in favor of the skulls and crossbones sticker for new stoves, and also I'd like them to send me one or two to put on my old stove. (And about 30 for my ring of rocks that I burn brush and toast marshmallows in, that one is extra hazardous to your lungs.)
I wish there were some kind of adhesive that would work. Maybe a stencil and contrasting high temp paint?
 

SpaceBus

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Nov 18, 2018
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Downeast Maine
The last place I would put my health and personal safety would be in the hands government.
Oddly enough they are the only ones doing anything about it.
 

Easy Livin’ 3000

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Dec 23, 2015
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The last place I would put my health and personal safety would be in the hands government.
Who then? Corporations?

You know the military and police are part of the gubment? As arr the FDA, EPA, SEC, etc., etc.

Really, why do I bother.
 
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jetsam

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Dec 12, 2015
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I wish there were some kind of adhesive that would work. Maybe a stencil and contrasting high temp paint?
I touch mine up with regular old Stove Bright, which is available in many colors!

I hereby declare that whoever first posts a picture of their stove with a skull and crossbones stenciled on it will be the OFFICIAL WINNER of this thread, and will thereby accrue many VALUABLE INTERNET POINTS.
 

SpaceBus

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Nov 18, 2018
5,201
Downeast Maine
I touch mine up with regular old Stove Bright, which is available in many colors!

I hereby declare that whoever first posts a picture of their stove with a skull and crossbones stenciled on it will be the OFFICIAL WINNER of this thread, and will thereby accrue many VALUABLE INTERNET POINTS.
I don't think my wife would go for it.
 

Grizzerbear

Minister of Fire
Feb 12, 2019
831
SW Missoura
Think about the fumes from frying food lol. I've been in some old timers houses where the walls/counters near the cook stove had a greasy feel to them.
 

SpaceBus

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Nov 18, 2018
5,201
Downeast Maine
Think about the fumes from frying food lol. I've been in some old timers houses where the walls/counters near the cook stove had a greasy feel to them.
I've begun only deep frying things outside. Even bacon is fried in a tall pot now. Some day we will have a nice range hood as well.
 
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Sawset

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Feb 14, 2015
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Palmyra, WI
The last place I would put my health and personal safety would be in the hands government.
On the other hand, I can think of more than a dozen people killed, maimed or dismembered, all prior to mandated safety improvements. I look on now in disbelief sometimes at some of the things that people (and myself) were subjected to because of profits and because some were too proud to demand better. Personal safety already is in the hands of government. Maybe you have some bad experiences complying.
 
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begreen

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Just about anything you buy in CA has warnings, so much so that no one pays attention to them. When did it become the government's job to warn you about all of the risks associated with living, real or imagined?
When lawyers started suing for negligence.
 

begreen

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Nov 18, 2005
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The last place I would put my health and personal safety would be in the hands government.
We already do and are probably grateful for it. It's why planes haven't crashed into our houses and the water is safe to drink.
 
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Nealm66

Minister of Fire
Sep 25, 2020
658
Western Washington
I have some friends in they’re 90’s that used a wood stove all of they’re whole lives. A few years back, the mom ran across the hay field to get the gate for a trailer bringing in hay. Maybe we just don’t make em like that anymore
 

Easy Livin’ 3000

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Dec 23, 2015
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I have some friends in they’re 90’s that used a wood stove all of they’re whole lives. A few years back, the mom ran across the hay field to get the gate for a trailer bringing in hay. Maybe we just don’t make em like that anymore
Anecdotes aren't statistics. The average lifespan has increased significantly over the last 50 years. I'm not saying that most older folks are in great shape and able to fend for themselves, like the mom. For that, I have much respect.

There was a couple, Scott and Helen Nearing. They are sort of famous in the back-to-the land/homesteading/self-reliance circles. They wrote a book called "The Good Life". When Scott could no longer bring in the wood that they used to heat their hand-built stone house in Maine, I think he was 99 or 100 yrs old, he stopped eating. They certainly don't make them like that anymore. They didn't make many like that, ever, though.

He was an ivy league PhD economist, socialist, and vegetarian.


 
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Mech e

Feeling the Heat
Feb 26, 2019
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Who then? Corporations?

You know the military and police are part of the gubment? As arr the FDA, EPA, SEC, etc., etc.

Really, why do I bother.
Yes, I have put my health and safety into several corporations hands after doing research to understand the quality of their services and products.

I served in our country's military for five years, as did my brother and our sons. I can tell you your personal health and safety was not part of our job description.

Have you looked at the ratio of police to citizens in your city? I have the highest regard for those who serve, but if someone is breaking into my home to do harm to me or my family, I know calling 911 is not going to protect us.

Is the government going to protect me from getting covid? Is the government going to protect me from getting cancer from too much sun exposure? I think not.

Our safety and health are our own personal responsibility. @SpaceBus gave some great examples of things he and his wife do in this area. Each of us must do what we deem necessary to achieve our personal standards, and not rely on the government to do it for us.
 

SpaceBus

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Nov 18, 2018
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Downeast Maine
Yes, I have put my health and safety into several corporations hands after doing research to understand the quality of their services and products.

I served in our country's military for five years, as did my brother and our sons. I can tell you your personal health and safety was not part of our job description.

Have you looked at the ratio of police to citizens in your city? I have the highest regard for those who serve, but if someone is breaking into my home to do harm to me or my family, I know calling 911 is not going to protect us.

Is the government going to protect me from getting covid? Is the government going to protect me from getting cancer from too much sun exposure? I think not.

Our safety and health are our own personal responsibility. @SpaceBus gave some great examples of things he and his wife do in this area. Each of us must do what we deem necessary to achieve our personal standards, and not rely on the government to do it for us.
Certainly you can't trust that the government will look out for everything, so yes, it is a personal responsibility. It just so happens that the government is doing more to help protect your health and safety than anyone else. I listed arsenic and asbestos specifically because it took decades for the manufacturers of products containing those toxins to stop using them. We are still dealing with the legacy today, and the only reason they stopped is because of government intervention. Another great example is leaded gasoline, which can still be found at some race tracks to this day. The only reason we aren't breathing in ground level lead pollution is that the EPA made it illegal. Corporations/manufacturers will almost never do the right thing, and this has been seen time and time again. The government protections certainly aren't universal, but better than nothing.

The military has changed a lot since you were in and health and safety are seen as much more important these days. While certainly there are still old NCO's that will drive you into the ground if you let them, so a certain amount of personal responsibility is necessary.

There are some watchdog groups out there, but not many folks looking out for the safety of the masses, just earning dollars right now. It doesn't matter to the rich if poor people die of exposure to dangerous compounds, that's a problem for the future. The dollar is king of everything and loyalty can be purchased from most individuals, poor and rich alike. Protesting safety warnings and interventions is actively working against your own self interest of survival.

Your 911 example is also flawed because it is not the job of the police to stop a home invader. It is their job to apprehend the perpetrator, as in a crime must take place before police can act.
 

PaulOinMA

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Oct 20, 2018
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MA
My dad's father died young of brain cancer in the 1940s. Polish immigrant. Enough English to read a batch record.

Dad gave the valedictorian address at his NJ high school, Don Bosco Prep. Too poor to go to Rutgers for pharmacy, so he joined his dad in the late 1930s at Johns Manville until WWII.

Dad said his father worked in a pre-OSHA cloud of chemical dust.
 

paulnlee

Feeling the Heat
Dec 2, 2018
379
Flemington, NJ
Mine Dad retired from Cyanamid (Calco back then) He would come home litteraly in different colors. Area is still a toxic dump except fot NJ Patriots baseball stadium next door. Both JM & Cyanamid border the raritan river, no wonder them carp were so damn huge