Stainless Steel Liner

[SOH]

Hi everyone!

I've patched up the spalling chimney block and am now ready to purchase and install a stainless steel liner and insulated thimble.

Hopefully this is an appropriate question: Any recommendations for a retailer for the SS liner and thimble? Trusted manufacturers? I would like to deal with a company with reasonable customer support. I'm handy, but I want to be certain I get this safely installed.

Rigid or flexible liner? My chimney is a straight shot / no bends.

Regarding insulation: Worth it to get the SS liner insulation wrap kit, or should I just fill my clay-lined chimney with a non-combustible loose fill after the fact? I've got 25' overall.

Thanks!!

 

[bholler]

Rigid or flexible liner? My chimney is a straight shot / no bends.

I still prefer heavy wall flex liner over rigid but rigid will work just fine. And is a very good liner just a bit more of a pain to install

Regarding insulation: Worth it to get the SS liner insulation wrap kit, or should I just fill my clay-lined chimney with a non-combustible loose fill after the fact? I've got 25' overall.

For diyers i think the wrap is best. It takes a bit of experience to make sure you get good coverage with pour in. Which is not loose fill. Loose fill is no longer approved

 

[SOH]

I still prefer heavy wall flex liner over rigid but rigid will work just fine. And is a very good liner just a bit more of a pain to install


For diyers i think the wrap is best. It takes a bit of experience to make sure you get good coverage with pour in. Which is not loose fill. Loose fill is no longer approved

Thanks for this. I appreciate the input.
Any recommendations on brands/retailers? I see a million of the 316ti flex liners and as many dealers so I'm not sure who to go with.

 

[bwells794]

I went with a 316ti flex liner from Woodlanddirect.com. I've actually bought a ton of stuff from them. My ecofan, hearth pad, kettle, ash pail... so far they've been great!

 

[SOH]

I went with a 316ti flex liner from Woodlanddirect.com. I've actually bought a ton of stuff from them. My ecofan, hearth pad, kettle, ash pail... so far they've been great!

Many thanks! I'll give them a try.

 

[bholler]

Many thanks! I'll give them a try.

Just dont get the double layer smooth wall stuff. Go with either the heavy wall or mid weight which are both smooth or the plain old light wall

 

[SOH]

Just dont get the double layer smooth wall stuff. Go with either the heavy wall or mid weight which are both smooth or the plain old light wall

I haven't seen anything that says it's double layer. I see the 316ti standard (light wall?) kits, and the 304 (heavy wall?) kits. I'll be sure to talk that over when I have reps on the phone. Thanks as always!

 

[bholler]

I haven't seen anything that says it's double layer. I see the 316ti standard (light wall?) kits, and the 304 (heavy wall?) kits. I'll be sure to talk that over when I have reps on the phone. Thanks as always!

either of those will work. The heavy wall is more durable but light wall will work to. What stove is this liner for?

 

[SOH]

either of those will work. The heavy wall is more durable but light wall will work to. What stove is this liner for?

It's for a 2003 QuadraFire 3100 Millennium. It will not be a 24/7 burner -- more like evenings and weekends.

 

[bholler]

It's for a 2003 QuadraFire 3100 Millennium. It will not be a 24/7 burner -- more like evenings and weekends.

for that stove we would use a midweight liner but a light wall would probably work fine as well. Just make sure you insulate what ever liner you choose

 

[SOH]

for that stove we would use a midweight liner but a light wall would probably work fine as well. Just make sure you insulate what ever liner you choose

I will do the insulation for sure. I'm a little confused about where the liner will terminate and how to integrate a clean-out. I'm installing this in an existing exterior block chimney, through a 2x4 wall into the house. Lots to figure out!

 

[bholler]

I will do the insulation for sure. I'm a little confused about where the liner will terminate and how to integrate a clean-out. I'm installing this in an existing exterior block chimney, through a 2x4 wall into the house. Lots to figure out!

Do you have a clean out now?

 

[SOH]

Do you have a clean out now?

Yeah, but it's right at grade, about 8" below the level at which the stove base would be. I was trying to understand what the nfpa required for cleanout locations, but i can't recall.

 

[SOH]

Yeah, but it's right at grade, about 8" below the level at which the stove base would be. I was trying to understand what the nfpa required for cleanout locations, but i can't recall.

Plus that seems like extra liner to buy.

 

[bholler]

Yeah, but it's right at grade, about 8" below the level at which the stove base would be. I was trying to understand what the nfpa required for cleanout locations, but i can't recall.

Just get another tee and extend the liner down to the cleanout. Seal everything up really well with mortar and make sure the clean out door seals well also.

 

[bholler]

about 8" below the level at which the stove base would be.

8 inches or 8 feet?

 

[SOH]

8 inches or 8 feet?

8 inches ... which would translate to a point that is about 4' below the top of the stove.

 

[SOH]

I thought I saw something in NFPA about 16" above grade (???) regarding the cleanout. It's easy enough to cut another hole in it and fill the old one w/ refractory cement and/or mortar. Just not sure what is safe and appropriate.

 

[bholler]

I thought I saw something in NFPA about 16" above grade (???) regarding the cleanout. It's easy enough to cut another hole in it and fill the old one w/ refractory cement and/or mortar. Just not sure what is safe and appropriate.

I would move it up to make it easier to clean from the bottom. I don't know what nfpa calls for i have never seen it enforced before and regardless you are dealing with an existing chimney not building new so i am sure you could use the existing clean out. But moving it up would make things easier

 

[SOH]

I would move it up to make it easier to clean from the bottom. I don't know what nfpa calls for i have never seen it enforced before and regardless you are dealing with an existing chimney not building new so i am sure you could use the existing clean out. But moving it up would make things easier

It certainly would be easier. One more question and I swear I'll leave you alone. Should the cleanout face away from (parallel to)the house, or is it okay to have the cleanout on one of the faces perpendicular to and thus closer to the house? Just curious what you've seen in your work.

Thanks, bholler!

 

[bholler]

It certainly would be easier. One more question and I swear I'll leave you alone. Should the cleanout face away from (parallel to)the house, or is it okay to have the cleanout on one of the faces perpendicular to and thus closer to the house? Just curious what you've seen in your work.

Thanks, bholler!

It usually faces away from the house but i have seen plenty on the side. Either will work fine but i think facing away from the house makes it a little easier to clean from the bottom.

 

[SOH]

It usually faces away from the house but i have seen plenty on the side. Either will work fine but i think facing away from the house makes it a little easier to clean from the bottom.

That's my inclination too -- to face it away from the house and put it at maybe knee- or thigh-height (still well below the stove) so I don't have to sit on the ground to access it. Thanks so much for all the help! I really appreciate it!

 

[bholler]

That's my inclination too -- to face it away from the house and put it at maybe knee- or thigh-height (still well below the stove) so I don't have to sit on the ground to access it. Thanks so much for all the help! I really appreciate it!

no problem. It really does not have to be below the stove just below the thimble. If it was mine and i was able to i would put it at waist level or a little higher

 

[SOH]

no problem. It really does not have to be below the stove just below the thimble. If it was mine and i was able to i would put it at waist level or a little higher

You know ... why not? That might actually reduce my liner kit length to 20'. I'll try to think up some tougher questions to stump you in the future. Cheers!