I think that for the money reliability gas mileage and overall comfort ford f150's are untouchable as far as payload towing and all around home vehicle to get the job done if ur going into a 250 2500 class to me that's a business truck that has an out of this world price have fun maintencing them too
Ford F150 Ecoboost vs Ram 1500 Ecodiesel
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I'm not sure if u noticed but this post is about "ford f150 ecoboost or ram 1500 ecodiesel so that why I posted that and totally understand what you are saying. Oh and it's not about being able to tow it's about getting sued when ur over ur limits. Nice pictures though
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Bigg_Redd
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To say this is "Not an apple to apple comparison" is a ridiculously huge understatement. In fact, as a comparison it has no useful information at all. You're not comparing diesel vs gas, you're comparing German vs Korean. Or better yet, most expensive car in class vs least expensive car in class.
Bigg_Redd
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The gas powered version of my truck (1999 dodge 3500 4x4) gets about 1/2 the mileage (8-10mpg) that I get with the diesel (17-19mpg). Whether or not I drive enough to make up the difference in initial cost is another question. Whether or not $5000 or so in fuel-pump related repairs I've paid for in the last 7 years were worth is an entirely different question. But with a little better luck and knowledge, anyone driving more than 10,000 miles per year will do well to look long and hard at a diesel.
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Just curios why would a 250 or 2500 cost much more than a 150/1500 Especially when you are talking ecoboost or diesel in the smaller trucks? We run a chevy 2500 for our work pickup and It is not expensive to maintain at all
bwise.157
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It is a gas vs diesel engine comparison. A diesel is more expensive to buy, but gets better mpg. I can change the purchase price, fuel costs and fuel efficiency of two vehicles and find that break even point in miles to drive. I can do the same thing when comparing an F150 and an EcoDiesel. That is the relevant part!
bwise.157
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The spreadsheet I have that you said wasn't relevant would answer this question for you in about 2 minutes.
Not a diesel but most 250/2500 are not diesels. And yes a diesel will cost way more to maintain but it generally needs less maintenance. But if you are towing or hauling heavy loads regularly it probably pays.
Bigg_Redd
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The relevance of your spread sheet is not the math but the initial presumptions. Compare a gas powered Jetta to a diesel powered Jetta. THAT would be relevant. Maybe someday the Koreans will import a diesel version. Gas powered Hyundai vs diesel powered VW tell no one anything.
bwise.157
Burning Hunk
I am simply comparing purchase prices and fuel efficiency, and at what point (i. e. How many miles need to be driven) would it make financial sense to purchase the more fuel efficient vehicle if it costs more. Many people get hung up on fuel efficient vehicles and will spend a small fortune more for them. What people fail to realize is the amount of miles you have to drive in the fuel efficient vehicle to make up the extra purchase price.
I absolulty agree we have a gas jetta for that reason but there are also many more factors that go into it than fuel efficency. But comparing a hundai and a vw is not a relevant comparison at all
air filter would be about the same tires will depend allot on the wheel size and what you want brakes would be a little more but they aren't that much more. Really if they are both gas there is not a huge difference other than suspension and possibly axles and usually a bigger motor option but not always
NE WOOD BURNER
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Maintenance is a factor if you are not a DIY person. The principals behind a diesel is proven. Just depends on a person needs and wants. I went diesel in my dodge but went with the GTI over the TDI. go figure. but the TDI is a marketed price, you will see prices drop this year as the gas jobs are competing on the MPGs.
HybridFyre
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This thing can haul 4,615 CORDS of wood (oak).
Is that wet or seasoned???
CombatChris
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I missed that part of the OP's question in comparing the 2 trucks. If that's the case, then get the one with the higher tow rating. If you're not looking to tow more than 9k, it's a moot point. Unless you really want to be able to tow the same weight faster, in which case the higher HP of the EcoBoost will be what you're looking for.
Obviously the Diesel Ram gets better MPG than the Turbo Ford when empty- how's the mileage hit for each when towing? I imagine that, like the HD Diesel trucks, the hit when you're pulling something is not as large as when you're pulling with gas.
OP hasn't said how much he intends to haul so we don't know what his limitation is. Unless you've got a fully loaded double axle trailer, you're not going to hit your limit with the Dodge. On the flip coin, if you've got to pull 10k no if's ands or buts- then it's out of the question.
What say you, OP? What's the goal? What's the limitation?
Jutt77
Feeling the Heat
Seasoned. A wet load may need the help of a 7.3l Powerstroke
NE WOOD BURNER
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This was the OP.
for me the best long term value was the 2500 cummins.
Here it is getting cap installed.
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CombatChris
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Well, look what I found.
"During testing, our judges were surprised by the qualitative and quantitative results when comparing the diesel V-6 with a typical gasoline-powered V-6 or V-8. Our testing represents the type of hard driving to which the toughest of owners will subject their trucks. We tow, we accelerate from a stop, we accelerate at highway speeds, we throw in some climbs for good measure, and we simulate a truck's best/worst days. When all was said and done, the EcoDiesel returned an observed 15 mpg at the test track, while the GM V-8s and the lone Toyota 1/2-ton V-8 were all in the single digits. The Sierra V-6 managed only 10 mpg. The Real MPG testing confirmed our findings, with the Ram towering over its 1/2-ton competition by at least 8 mpg city, 7 hwy. If you still doubt the advantages of the diesel engine, this might be more a spiritual than intellectual quandary.
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear...r_trend_2014_truck_of_the_year/#ixzz3CqVxfCXa"
"During testing, our judges were surprised by the qualitative and quantitative results when comparing the diesel V-6 with a typical gasoline-powered V-6 or V-8. Our testing represents the type of hard driving to which the toughest of owners will subject their trucks. We tow, we accelerate from a stop, we accelerate at highway speeds, we throw in some climbs for good measure, and we simulate a truck's best/worst days. When all was said and done, the EcoDiesel returned an observed 15 mpg at the test track, while the GM V-8s and the lone Toyota 1/2-ton V-8 were all in the single digits. The Sierra V-6 managed only 10 mpg. The Real MPG testing confirmed our findings, with the Ram towering over its 1/2-ton competition by at least 8 mpg city, 7 hwy. If you still doubt the advantages of the diesel engine, this might be more a spiritual than intellectual quandary.
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear...r_trend_2014_truck_of_the_year/#ixzz3CqVxfCXa"
D8Chumley
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CombatChris
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Quite correct. Here's what I've been able to find only in a short while and it's non-scientific to say the least.
http://www.ram1500diesel.com/forum/...boost-vs-ecodiesel-towing-mpg-comparison.html
D8Chumley
Minister of Fire
I belong to a Ford truck forum and what I hear over and over is when the EcoBoost hits 30k it sees a drastic improvement in fuel economy. However, that is an interesting read. Definitely worth looking into. What's the price for a similar equipped crew cab EcoBoost and EcoDiesel? In other words what's the premium for the Diesel engine? If you know, that is.
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