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Englander 25-pdvc England stove works

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by Dgopetactical, Nov 22, 2012.

  1. Dgopetactical

    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    Good morning,
    I bought a englander 25-pdvc this year. It heats my home well, and loved the price.
    After first startup it ran fine for two days then I started to notice the convection blower slowly started to get louder every day until the blower howled so bad the dog and cats would not come out of the basement.I called England stove works explained issues and they sent me a new blower and it got here in 2 days. I swapped out the blower and it ran quiet for 2 days then this motor did the same as the other and this blower stopped running on speed 1 and 2. I called customer service again and of course they sent me another blower.
    Now I'm sitting here on thanksgiving morning stairing at the new motor waiting for my stove to cool down so I can install this new motor that I'm sure will fail to....I have been running my stove on the lowest settings and noticed when looking in the back of the stove the convection motor is within 1 inch of the burn box, I was able to reach in and touch the motor and it was so hot you would burn your fingers. I'm convinced the heat is ruining these motors 1 at a time...when I go in there I'm gonna see if I can rig a heat shield to keep some heat off the motor.. The customer service is very nice, they love to throw parts at the problem and when you tell them you been reading about the tons of blower issues they been having they do no admit it at all and won't even address the issue I'm told they have 400,000 units on the market. So in ending I'll let you know in a few days how this blower turned out, any body else have blower issues?

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  2. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    I have a three questions.

    1. What mode is the stove being operated in?

    2. What are the settings of the lower three, LFF, LBA, and AOT?

    3. Is the impingement plate in its proper place?
  3. Dgopetactical

    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    Heat range 1 blower speed 1
    Lff 6 lba4 aot 1. On warmer nights I run 341
    Impingement plate ?
  4. Dgopetactical

    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    Checked manual, impingement plate in correct location yes
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    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    I run blower speed on 3 when 1 or 2 is not working all the time
  6. Dgopetactical

    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    When I say convection blower I meen house blower
  7. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    Before you fire that stove up again do a control board reset and report back the settings for, mode, lff, lba, and aot.

    One of the England stove models has a default of 4 6 1 for those three lower settings and another model has the 6 4 1 as a default.

    The amount of fuel ( the 6 in the 6 4 1) is over half way up the scale. The 4 would slow down the air flow through the stove allowing a lot more heat to be extracted by the heat exchanger.

    It is indeed a possibility that you are drying out the lube on the blower.
  8. jim3854

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    So on the coldest nights what setting would put the most heat into the house ?
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    To do a control board reset...

    Do this when the stove is cold.

    Unplug the stove from the power outlet.

    Plug the power lead back in.

    You must press and hold the bottom 3 buttons all at the same time within 4 seconds and wait 3 seconds and then release buttons.

    Wait 5 - 10 seconds for the F5 readout display to go blank.

    Unplug power lead - wait 5 seconds

    Plug power lead back in and press both the room air temp buttons at the same time within 4 - 5 seconds, you should now see a letter (A, b, c or d) in the left digital display, you need to change this to d using the buttons below that number, once set to 'd' wait 10 - 15 seconds then unplug the power again and wait 5 seconds.

    Plug power back in, then set the lower three (3) buttons to read 6 4 1 from left to right.

    Clean out the stove and reload with pellets and fire it up. Set the heat range to 2. Set the Air room blower speed to 3 or 4 and then leave the stove alone for 60 - 90 minutes.

    After this time has passed, if you need to get more heat, up the blower speed by 1 and leave for an hour.

    On cold nights / days.

    Heat range 3 - 8 and the blower speed 1 or two numbers under the heat range (except 3).

    The Heat number can be at any number you want, but the ideal number should be 2 - 7, air room blower speed, low 3 - 6 range, if you have it too high it will not allow the stove to convert the heat and it will just go out the vent pipe and you will have an under performing stove.

    See the post below ....

    http://www.hearth.com/talk/threads/englander-25-pdvc-stove.94919/#post-1253193
  10. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    9-9 (default settings on lff, lba, aot)
  11. Dgopetactical

    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    I installed the new blower all is quiet, and of corse I fired it up before I read your guys replys, I will do a reset in a few days when I shutdown to clean.... 641/1-1 gives me the heat I need right now at night 29 deg, during day I have to use 341/ 1-1 45-50 deg. Or I get cooked out.. Running any lower than a 6 on lff when it's below 35 deg outside will not supply the heat I need, I need to keep the fire room 82 deg. To keep other rooms in my home 74 and second floor 69/70 at night..thank you for you help, I will post back soon.
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    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    Change of plans, shutting down now, will do a reset, once everything is cool.
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    Night time with temps down to 27 - 35 deg, set stove to 6-4-1 on lower buttons.

    Set heat range to 5 or 6 with the blower set at 3 or 4 or 5.

    If you set the blower speed higher, you are allowing hot burn air to go out the vent tube.

    You will see the heat become stable after 80 minutes or so, you have to allow the stove to get up to operating temp to see the effects.

    If the outside temp drops and gets cold in the house, up the heat number by 1 and if needed the air blower by 1, you have to again wait for the stove to adjust to the changes made, it takes about an hour to see the effect.

    I've been playing with these settings since I called Tech Support and asked loads of questions on how each setting effects the stove.
  14. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    Put the stove on a t-stat, lower the firing setup for low burn set the stove to a higher than 1-1 heat range and blower setting, and let the t-stat run the stove when more heat is needed.

    This doesn't have to be tinker ville.
  15. CladMaster

    CladMaster Feeling the Heat

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    LOL ...... but I like to tinker.
  16. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    Tinkering gets a lot of folks in deep doo doo when it comes to stoves/
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    A good post , nicely written.
    I do question how the distr blower set on higher speed would restrict the heat exchanger with the heat range on the higher settings. I always thought it best to get the heat off the exchanger as soon as possible.
    The distr. blower on that stove isn`t that strong to begin with.

    Later added: OK if it is in fact true that the distr.fan speed is somehow tied to the combustion air intake then I understand why you would want to keep the dist fan down a notch.
  18. Dgopetactical

    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    Putting it on a stat always was a thought, maybe,
    if I'm ever done replacing blowers every week.
  19. SmokeyTheBear

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    No I'd do it now and prevent playing blower replacement games.

    I'd also PM stoveguy2esw and ask him to read this thread.
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    Hello

    Most motor manufacturers have an MSDS - Material Specifications Data Sheet that specify in their requirements that Light Oil be used to lubricate the motor shaft. Your new motors may be lacking proper lubrication?
    Try adding some TufOil Lubit-8 on the motor shaft. This oil has a patented moly and PTFE formula for the very best blower lubrication available.

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  22. Dgopetactical

    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    Tried to do reset, don't work for me,
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    Dgopetactical Feeling the Heat

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    I'm following directions but "both room air temp buttons" is my hold up, can't find em,,,lol
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    The blower speed buttons = air room temp blower.

    You must press both at the same time to get the info for the heat mode that will be displayed in the left digital display, then use the two buttons under that to set it to 'd' .

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