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Englander Auger Motor Failure and Replacement

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by NEStoveOwner, Jan 24, 2009.

  1. tflight

    tflight New Member

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    I guess they will sell to you despite what they put on their website. :) Good call, I should have checked. I've got the motor on order and it should be at my local Grainger branch tomorrow.

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  2. Benski

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    Graphite can be obtained from any farm machinery dealer (CaseIH, Deere or Agco) as it is widely used to "lubricate" the seeds, mainly corn seeds. But I agree not convenient for cities!
    Ben
  3. tflight

    tflight New Member

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    Turns out I won't be needing that auger motor after-all. Circuit board is now blown. Breckwell cost: $275. But... they don't make my exact board anymore so in order to get that board I need a $75 wiring harness/adapter. This is on top of the modification I'd already made since the blower switch broke. Add in the auger motor which I still would need and I'm at $500+ in parts for a 12 year old stove. Not going to happen.... I cancelled the auger motor order and a new Harman P43 will be installed soon.
  4. Birdman Jack

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    I was wondering if the motor failed or did the gearbox fail? I found just the motors on another site for $13.00 and if I can find it again I will probably order one.
  5. tflight

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    I believe it was just the motor.
  6. pellet

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    Birdman,
    Would you mind sharing the site where motors are for $13? Good info!!!
  7. Birdman Jack

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    I will have to go in and look for it. I should be able to find it again. I think the motors run at 2800 to 3000 rpm and the gearbox lowers it to 1 rpm.
  8. pellet

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    I would sure appreciate it and I'm guessing others here would too. Thanks
  9. Birdman Jack

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    I went back and tried to find the one I was looking for but with no luck. I wish I had one that was bad to do a little comparison with.I do have the tag off of mine but it is a merkle korff and I can't find the exact specks for this motor. I believe it has a 3/8 shaft but I am not sure what the end of the shaft looks like. I do know it is either 2800 or 3000 rpm both of which should work but I need physical measurements. I would pull mine out but it is my main source of heat. Probably a lot of these motors would work if the shaft is the same on the end. I am afraid it might be splined but am not sure. If anyone on here has an old one that has quit working and they did not throw it away maybe we could dissect it. Also the thought crossed my mind just to change the c-stack with the windings if the shaft is ok. A lot of these motors are identical except for the end. You just have to make sure the amperage draw for the motor is big enough. Mine is rated at .4 amps. I don't know if this makes sense to you but I don't know any other way to explain it.
  10. ct_administrator

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    My 25-pdv lower auger motor started to whine and click and was very hot to touch, then the Stove couldn't keep a fire going. So I switched the upper and lower motors to try to get the rest of the winter out of it..................no luck....... just wouldn't feed pellets fast enough.

    Anyway I was searching for a new motor which brought me here, I was about to pull the trigger on the Grainger, then on a whim I took the "stator" (I think thats what its called) off and cleaned it with a rag it was pretty dirty I guess because it isn't sealed dirt/ grime can accumulate.

    Just two screws on the back, a rag and WTF the stove started going like nobody's business. The house got up to 72deg (hot for me), guess it had been under-performing for a while. I'm going to look into putting some electrical varnish on it as well, I read this somewhere and not sure really what it does or what kind to look for, just going to ask some questions.

    Just thought I'd add my 2 cents, the info on the motors is appreciated, I'm thankful mine is running again, don't know for how long but we will see.

    thank you
    and nice forum you have here.
  11. Birdman Jack

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    I did find this for the motors. I know that 1 rpm is what we need but 1.8 would probabably work ok with all the adjustment that we have on the 25 pdvc. I will probably order one just to play with for $18 bucks. The rating on the motor is in the ballpark so it should work ok. https://www.surpluscenter.com/home.asp
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    """"""""""I did find this for the motors. I know that 1 rpm is what we need but 1.8 would probabably work ok with all the adjustment that we have on the 25 pdvc. I will probably order one just to play with for $18 bucks. The rating on the motor is in the ballpark so it should work ok. https://www.surpluscenter.com/home.asp"""""""""

    WOW, Great find, your a better googler than me I guess...........LOL

    I wonder how this would match up to our stoves with the different RPM's ??

    I may have to pull the trigger on one of those

    Its this one you are talking about right https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?Item=5-1738&UID=2252011917240136
  13. Birdman Jack

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    Yep thats the one. If just the gearbox goes bad then just swap the motor part to keep it the same. Not sure what everything looks like have not had one apart yet.
  14. geek

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    ok, so much GOOD info here...

    So the bottom auger seems to be dead on my Englander 25-PDV, but with so many auger brands and RPMs now I don't know which one will perfectly fit my 25-PDV.....

    Please help.....!
  15. imacman

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    Geek, there have been many good reviews of the Gleason-Avery. If I was buying a replacement, this is what I'd get. better bearings, thicker stack.....beefier:

    http://www.gleasonavery.com/catalog/pellet-corn-stove-motors.html
  16. geek

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    Thanks mac,

    I will choose the A901 at 1.2 RPM, I think that's the closest to what the englanders have (1 RPM ??), is that correct??
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  19. geek

    geek Minister of Fire

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    but I wonder if anyone has ordered and installed one of those cheap augers and if it has worked for what time.
    Not trying to be cheap but hey, if the cheap one works then why not.

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  20. Birdman Jack

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    I found it you try it. But seriously what gave out on yours the motor or the gearbox? Can you send me a picture of the unit with the end that fastens to the auger. The cheap gearboxes are simply a surplus item from something else that probably went belly up. That is why so cheap most of the time. The magnum 6500 pellet and corn stove uses one of these motors. I believe it is a little higher rpm but will not swear to it. Let us know what you do. Picture please.
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    As you can see from my previous posts I bought one of those Avery-Gleason 1.2 rpm motor gear boxes. It works fine. When I bought it I wasn't thinking because I thought 0.2 rpm would not make much difference but like someone stated in a previous post that is 20 % and it does make a difference. On warmer days I have to shut it down because it gets too warm in the house.

    If I had it to do over again I think I would take my chances and order a 1.0 rpm motor from Amazon. The price seems reasonable. Here is a link.

    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_s...words=pellet stove auger motor&sprefix=pellet

    Edit: Has anyone tried this Dayton Gearmotor from Grainger?

    http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/ww...uery=1lng2&op=search&Ntt=1lng2&N=0&sst=subset

    Edit 2: Now I see there is a thread on the Dayton Gearmotor.

    http://www.hearth.com/econtent/index.php/forums/viewthread/47598/#586396
  22. geek

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    OK.

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  23. NEStoveOwner

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    Just checking back in again. Ran the whole season without any issues at all.

    Any one buy a brand new Englander stove and is it still shipping with that same motor?

    Are they still selling inferior replacement motors for double the cost?
  24. Snowy Rivers

    Snowy Rivers Minister of Fire

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    It is so sad, but true, that far too many products are made using cheap parts that will just barely make it out of warranty before the break.

    I have replaced a couple auger motors over the years and always used the Dayton motors from Graingers.

    Never had any issues with those motors.

    The difference in the two motors shown in the pix really brings the concept of CHEAP motors Home to roost for sure eh ???


    Glad your dragon is vanquished.


    Snowy
  25. Topshelf

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    Just got my replacement / warranty Merkle Korff auger motor from Englander. I spent most of a week with my stove down due to the original motor taking a dump. I'm cringing reading this thread and reports about these motors. I do know that IF this new motor dies it wont be replaced with a Merkle Korff .
    The up side is when my stove is up and running its beautiful heat. When its down, which has been numerous times in its virgin season, its not so pretty and negates any savings I may have had by running a pellet stove. I may have a summer sale on this one before it starts costing me repairs next year which is kind of sad.

    Has any one here with stove issues kept track of how many hours of labor and down time you have in one year? I wish I would have kept track of mine this season.

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