I'm with ya Steve. It seems general temperature forecasts can be in the ballpark but other than that it's really just topics of conversation. How accurate were these people for last year's winter? I looked in the Farmers Almanac for what they predicted for last month(which was the hottest July on record for us) and they had shown a below average overall temp! With that said, I have been noticing some signs from Mother Nature....acorns seems to be dropping a bit early, goldenrod came out a few weeks sooner than usual and many of the birds are flocking together and doing their pre-migration flights each evening which normally doesn't happen until 1st week of September.....hhhhmmmmmmm. Will have to pay attention to the wooly bear catapillars next month.