1. Welcome Hearth.com Guests and Visitors - Please enjoy our forums!
    Hearth.com GOLD Sponsors who help bring the site content to you:
    Hearthstone Soapstone and Cast-Iron stoves( Wood, Gas or Pellet Stoves and Inserts)
    Caluwe - Passion for Fire and Water ( Pellet and Wood Hydronic and Space Heating)

I MADE THINGS A LOT WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post in 'The Hearth Room - Wood Stoves and Fireplaces' started by AppalachianStan, Dec 10, 2011.

  1. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    I will go to Lowe's today and buy the stove pipe to put on the chimney top to see if that will help it draft better. Then see if one of my sons can out it on for me. And clean that cap at the same time.

    Helpful Sponsor Ads!





  2. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2008
    Messages:
    7,607
    Loc:
    Doylestown, PA

    I really think that is a waste of time and money at this point.
  3. pip3398

    pip3398 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2008
    Messages:
    66
    Loc:
    Central New York
    Stan, I have just read through all of the posts on this thread and figured I had better comment. Adding Cat's at this point will not help anything. Do not spend money on them until the stove is drafting correctly.

    You either have a lack of draft or a blocked air intake. You need to add a section of pipe (probably 3') of single wall at the chimney top. A chimney is supposed to act as like a vacuum cleaner sucking the smoke out of the house. When the door is open, there is enough unrestricted air through the chimney for the stove to burn. When you close the door you need a lot more suction to remove the smoke and bring oxygen fresh air into the firebox. If you were to put a draft gauge on your chimney, I am sure it would have a very low reading.

    Your stove as it sits without the cats is no different than an old timberline or fisher and those stoves would heat up with no problem. Most any stove and chimney will burn fine with the door open regardless of if the chimney is drafting or not. Heat rising with plenty of fresh air will overcome a poor draft. The difference is that when you have proper draft it will be able to draw through the small air openings of the stove.

    A 3' piece of single wall is only $20. Get one and push the corrugated end into your chimney with no cap. I think you will see the stove burn better right away. If the chimney doesn't draft well, than no stove will work well there.

    As to you saying you need an 8" flue stove now, that would be incorrect. Most stoves with 6" flues are approved to hook up to 8" chimneys with a reducer.

    If this works make sure you get the proper pipe for when it gets cold. When temps drop you need insulated pipe all the way up.
  4. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    Ok, What did you say again sorry with so many replies. BrowningBAR I just not remember?
    Some say get a new wood stove and some say fix the one I have.
    Some say get a piece of single wall stove pipe it will help.
    Lowe's only has 2' single wall stove pipe @ $15.00 and I just said I will get it. And then some say no waste of time and money at this point
    I am so confused and do not know what to do at this point.......... :-S
  5. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2008
    Messages:
    7,607
    Loc:
    Doylestown, PA

    Take a moment and review BeGreen's response:

  6. pip3398

    pip3398 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2008
    Messages:
    66
    Loc:
    Central New York
    Stan,
    For $15. you can find out if you have a draft problem. When you bring in your air compressor you can blow out the intakes and make sure they are clean. One or both of these things is the problem.

    Cat's will not increase draft.

    I've been working with wood stoves for 25 years. Draft is the most important thing with any wood stove.
  7. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2008
    Messages:
    7,607
    Loc:
    Doylestown, PA

    There are other problems than just the draft.
  8. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    Ok guys just blew out the intake it was fairly clean. Now need to get someone on the roof to get the cap down so I can clean it.
  9. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    I need to add, some say buy the cats and some say don't buy the cats.
    Guys your arguments for both side of my problem makes sense to me. But I am still so confused and do not know what to do at this point.......... :-S
  10. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    Hey, BrowningBAR can you ran though the list of problems that you think may be playing a roll in my problems with the stove. Now you can't use I am just an unlucky guy. lol
  11. BrowningBAR

    BrowningBAR Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2008
    Messages:
    7,607
    Loc:
    Doylestown, PA
    Again, review BeGreen's posts.
  12. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    Let me make sure I am right on the #1 thing BeGreen Said is buy a new wood stove. Is this true?
    If yes this is true. Then I should stop worrying about my old wood stove and just wait on the new one. YES?
  13. Chettt

    Chettt Feeling the Heat

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2007
    Messages:
    265
    Loc:
    Western Michigan
    Stan, the Mayan's say the world is going to end in 2012, just get a flatulent dog and a candle and wait for the end.
  14. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    LOL :lol:
  15. Troutchaser

    Troutchaser New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 1, 2010
    Messages:
    345
    Loc:
    Zone 6
    Stan,
    It sounds like the common theme here is primary air and draft. You'll just have to thoroughly evaluate both and find the problem.
    Hell, you can stick a 55 gallon drum in there and use it for a stove if you wanted. It just takes air to enter, a box for fuel, and something of a drafting exhaust. All the rest is bells and whistles.
    Nothing wrong with your stove other than one of those two things. We all have an opinion on which it is. You'll have to tear into it.
  16. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    Sorry guy for resisting your suggestions just trying to keep warm until I can get a new stove.
  17. pip3398

    pip3398 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2008
    Messages:
    66
    Loc:
    Central New York
    Stan, To get straight on what I was saying, I agree with BeGreen that you need a new non cat stove, but if the fire won't burn with things wide open you likely have no draft. A new stove won't fix that.
  18. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    1.)I have taking it apart the stove is clean out so the stove should draw in the air.
    2.) I need to see if the chimney cap is clean.
    3.) Most everyone has said I need more chimney. "Do the chimney test" but then I was told do not do the test it would not help.
    4.) I have made sure the wood is dry to the best of my abilities with the test to the face, hitting them together and ask the friend who I got it from.
    5.) Still have to get a MM.
    6.) Tried 2x4s no luck
    7.) Tried ECO brick no luck
    8.) Put new gaskets in made the draft worse.
    9.)Get the cats or get a new wood stove.
    10.) I have a 120 year old drafty house.

    So what well it hurt if I try the chimney test to see if that will help or not?
  19. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    I know I am hard headed but I am going to try the chimney pipe test to see if that helps. until I can get a new stove this one will have to do.
  20. oldspark

    oldspark Guest

    You have nothing to lose except a few dollars.
  21. Stephen in SoKY

    Stephen in SoKY Feeling the Heat

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2008
    Messages:
    333
    Loc:
    Southern Kentucky
    Stan, Remember, we fight for our draft down here more than folks do up north. All draft boils down to is colder outside than in and especially until we get really cold in January that's easier to get up north. Our chimneys have to be nearly perfect to draw well. That usually means extra height, furnace cement in the joints and insulated class-A helps as well. I am NOT calling your wood green, but with the lazy draft we have, even moderate moisture will lead to creosote. I suspect you're going to find your cap screen plugged nearly full. Me, I never run a screen, but that's your decision. I strongly encourage you to work on your chimney height as I'm all too familiar with lazy draft and what effects it has on solid fuel heaters. When you can't get a roaring fire with kiln dried pine (2X4) and the door cracked, then there's a stoppage somewhere up the chimney.
  22. Todd

    Todd Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2005
    Messages:
    9,218
    Loc:
    Lake Wissota
    If the cap is clogged and your wood isn't as dry as you think, try burning your system without the cap. Draft should improve without a cap anyways from what I've found. Some people just use the cap in the summer months to keep the critters and rain out then take it off for the burning season.
  23. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    Guys are you saying that my chimney cap has a screen in it, or are you calling my chimney cap a screen?
    I hear the word screen I think of the stuff a screen door is made with. I do not have a screen mesh metal like stuff on my cap. I got the black stove pipe to do the test with. Now just need to get it up there.
  24. Stephen in SoKY

    Stephen in SoKY Feeling the Heat

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2008
    Messages:
    333
    Loc:
    Southern Kentucky
    From the factory all chimney caps I've seen have 1/4" hardware cloth around them. I think the proper name is spark arrester. That's the cap screen we're talking about. On Simpson it was about 4-5 inches high, placed between the actual cap and the base that attaches to the last section of triple wall.
  25. AppalachianStan

    AppalachianStan Minister of Fire

    Joined:
    Nov 4, 2011
    Messages:
    557
    Loc:
    Clover SC
    I do not remember anything like that in the cap, but when I can get it down I will get a before and after photos of it.

Share This Page