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  1. velvetfoot Minister of Fire

    joined: Dec 5, 2005
    4,839 posts
    Sand Lake, NY
    Does it have to be pulled out, or something to do a full cleaning (whatever that might be)?

    I'm just thinking about the future when I'm even weaker than I am now. :)
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  2. imacman Minister of Fire

    In general it is more difficult, just for the reason you mentioned. Access to the blowers and auger motor(s) are always through the sides or rear, so to do a proper full cleaning the unit has to be pulled out.
  3. tjnamtiw Minister of Fire

    joined: Mar 9, 2009
    2,615 posts
    North Georgia
    I have two inserts as you see in my sig. They DON'T have to be pulled out for regular weekly or monthly cleaning unless you burn a couple of tons during that period. Otherwise, you have to pull them out at the end of the season to disconnect the flue pipe and run a brush up or down it. Also, at that time you would pull the combustion blower and convection blower to give them a good cleaning and be ready for next year. This is for Quads. I'm sure others will chime in for their brands that might require something else.
    For my Quads, it's a grunt and bear it kinda thing. I'm pushing 70 but still able to do it. Some brands have rigs to let you literally roll them out on attachable rails. I wish I had known about that at the time. Good luck on your search.
  4. SXIPro Feeling the Heat

    joined: Sep 28, 2009
    408 posts
    Northern MA
    The older I get, the harder it is for me to pull the insert out of the fireplace. This, along with the limited hopper size, are the two big drawbacks of an insert IMHO. I do think they look better than a free standing unit though.
  5. fmsm Feeling the Heat

    joined: Dec 12, 2011
    299 posts
    South of Boston MA
    My Harman P35i has a 62lb hopper and is set in a cage so it "rolls" out for service and cleaning. I will never own an insert that does not have this feature! The Accentra is also available as an insert with this. I'm not sure about the hopper size.
  6. Tim_M Member

    joined: Mar 28, 2010
    47 posts
    Halifax, NS
    Another consideration when pulling out an insert is disconnecting (and then re-connecting) the exhaust pipe, which can be a real challenge due to restricted access and limited/no visibility.
  7. SXIPro Feeling the Heat

    joined: Sep 28, 2009
    408 posts
    Northern MA
    Depends on the unit. There is no need to disconnect my Harman exhaust. The insert just slides out (with effort) then slides back in and re-sets itself against the exhaust 'manifold'.
  8. DemonGT Member

    joined: Oct 19, 2011
    154 posts
    Sparta,WI
    if i remove the insert shroud and stove side panels on my stove i can get to all the motors with out pulling it out.

    but i would think a FS stove would be much easier to maintain for sure.
  9. jdege Member

    joined: Nov 15, 2011
    169 posts
    Dover, NH
    I pull my Harman insert out once per ton to clean the fine box, a little heavy but manageable. The annual cleaning is done by a tech, I pay for a professional to clean my furnace once a year and the pellet stove deserves nothing less. As for hopper size I believe it holds 60+ pounds so no issue there.

    Love my insert but my in laws have freestanding stoves and those are nice to. IMO
  10. Lousyweather Minister of Fire

    joined: Feb 19, 2009
    2,418 posts
    America
    yes....an insert generally is *somewhat* more labor intensive to clean than a freestander
  11. sandpipe Member

    joined: Feb 24, 2010
    62 posts
    Northern Franklin County, MA
    The Harman Invincible insert has access to the distribution blower through the bottom of pulled out unit. When my blower was replaced last year I put car jackstands underneath the stove because the repairman was nervous about sliding his head underneath the minimally supported 354lb stove.

    It is quite a workout sliding it in and out of the hearth. I muscle it out incrementally from side to side and it gets easier after it's out several inches. Likewise, when pushing it back in those last few inches are the toughest.
  12. Eatonpcat Minister of Fire

    joined: Jul 24, 2011
    2,037 posts
    Eaton Township, Ohio
    Mine is easily pulled out, but that being said, I believe a free standing stove would be much less of a PIA to service. I also wish I had a bigger Hopper!!
  13. jim3854 Member

    joined: Nov 20, 2011
    106 posts
    Rhode island
    I have a freestanding stove in the same room as my fireplace . Its nice to be able to use both.
  14. SXIPro Feeling the Heat

    joined: Sep 28, 2009
    408 posts
    Northern MA
    I have the same stove. It takes more effort to slide in/out with each cleaning. It's a combination of me getting older and the flat gasketing that sits on top of the frame 'slides' are pretty much gone, so there is much more friction. I either gotta replace those, or hit the frame with a wire brush and then some fluid film, or get back to the gym.
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  15. PoolGuyinCT Feeling the Heat

    joined: Jan 17, 2012
    327 posts
    Plymouth CT
    I never thought pulling my castile insert was a major pain in the azz.

    Oddly, it did get much more difficult when I saw my buddies free standing castile
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  16. oldmountvernon Minister of Fire

    joined: Oct 27, 2011
    2,157 posts
    SE Mass
    i bet she does too ;)
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