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Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by alltherage, Dec 7, 2012.

  1. alltherage

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    it seems like everywhere I go I find a stove that is blowing out wayyy hotter air. My neighbor has an old Breckwell and that thing cranks it out....they can't even have it higher than the lowest setting or it blows everyone out of the room. Another friend has a Regency greenfire and it's the same deal. I looked at Harmans and Enviros today and it's the same thing.

    I have a 25-pdvc and a 10-cpm and I can't get them near that hot. I've adjusted and adjusted and adjusted. I"ve burned american wood fibers and green supremes over the last 2 years. I think they're functionally fine and they've been good, reliable stoves to this point. But I have to admit it's frustrating that I can't get that kind of heat of out of them. Is it just the heat exchanger design? I can't seem to get the blowtorch like flame that other brands generate. I've read that you don't want a flame as active as a blowtorch, but it seems like that's the ticket to heat. The Harman I looked at showed over 400 degree air coming out of the front of the stove!

    Like I said, I love the englanders and Mike has been awesome on this site. I just feel like something's lacking with the btu's.
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  2. slvrblkk

    slvrblkk Minister of Fire

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    I gotta tell ya, I used to have a pdvc and that thing was short on looks but man could that thing heat like crazy! The term "way hotter" is a bit subjective. It could be something as simple as burning those GS's or maybe you have too much heat being blown out your vent. I wouldn't call the flame on my EP "blowtorch" either but this thing heats my house really well. I do notice a HUGE difference though when I burn my NEWP.....just don't get the heat out of those......
  3. N.E S4

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    I'm new to pellet stove I have a 25 PDVC beside my vacuum switch issue my stove is burning very well at 1 heat range. I have the heat range at 5 to warm up the room up fast then I turn it down to 1 and blower speed at 6. My basement is at 80 degree and with a register fan on the floor my living room is 73 degree. I'm burning greene team pellet.

    Since it's in the basement the intake is over 6 feet long I've increase it to a 3 inch like it's recommended. Fresh air from the outside really helps it burn well. Colder air is more dense with more oxygen.

    I have 2 wear plates so I had all of the holes in 1 of the plate chamfered. Chamfering the holes in the bottom of the wear plate will help increase air flow from the intake.

    Next week once I received my new vacuum switch and the burn indicator I will do some testing. With the holes in the wear plate chamfered and without I'd like to see if my theory correct.
  4. heat seeker

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    If they're running the room blowers at a lower speed, the air coming out would be pretty hot. On the other hand, if you are running your blower at a high speed, the air coming out would be relatively cooler.

    The main thing is - does it heat your house?
  5. Harvey Schneider

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    Air temperature is not a good indication of the total heat coming out of a stove. For the same number of BTU's burned an increase in the volume of air going through the heat exchanger will lower the temperature, but will increase the overall efficiency and therefore increase the amount heat delivered to the room.
    Burning hot air out of the heat exchanger may be emotionally satisfying, but the rate at which the room air temperature increases is the true indication of a stove's preformance.
  6. imacman

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    Get some better pellets to begin with....GS are poor at best. What other pellets do you have available to test burn?

    Key to good heat and very lively flame on the 10-cpm is to increase the LFF a little and raise the LBA a couple. I run 3-6-1 and it's HOT coming out of the front of the stove.
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  7. DexterDay

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    The heat exchange system and convection blower rates play a large part in this.

    I have a 10-CPM and a Quadrafire. Both nice stoves. But the Quad outperforms and outheats the CPM by a fair amount.

    Input BTU and Output BTU... A stove can burn 8 lbs an hr (64,000 BTU) but if it can't extract that heat???

    Look at the heat exchange systems on your buddies stove. Then look at yours.

    Not taking away from Englander. They are a great Manufacturer and have awesome customer service (best). I own 3 of there stoves, so I do not Hate them! Quality and Quantity.
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    I have a Harman and I'd have to see that.
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    qft
  10. heat seeker

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    It depends on the measurement method, also. The Harman user may have measured the metal temp, not the air temp, in error. Then there's the accuracy of the thermometer.
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  11. subsailor

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    Huh?
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    quoted for truth
  13. subsailor

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    OK.
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    Why would you want 400 degree air? It sounds like a fire hazard (paper ignites at 451, a cooking oven typically runs at 350). Why would you want a stove so hot it drives everybody out of the room?
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    That's why I don't believe it.
  16. alltherage

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    the guy was using a laser thermometer so, come to think of it, the laser was on the metal. My mistake...but the air was very hot to the touch. I understand temp vs btu etc. It's just very comforting to feel the hot air come out of a stove.
  17. alltherage

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    the 25-pdvc is burning the green supremes really well actually compared to the american wood fibers. i was surprised after i read the reviews. I tried a couple bags and was impressed...virtually no fines and good heat. That stove is in a small workshop so no biggie. I'm more concerned about the 10-cpm at this point because it's in the basement which is 1500 sq. feet and all concrete. We only use it when we have parties etc so it's not crucial, but it would be nice to get more out of it. I'll try 3-6-1 on the settings. thanks
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    Whoh....whoh......what one second, you have the CPM in a basement? Is it completely unfinished and uninsulated?
  19. DexterDay

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    Yes it is... Smoke owns an Englander too ;) (and a Quad).

    I am not putting Englander down. They are an AWESOME company and make stoves for the masses.

    But there is a long time saying. Two of them actually. But one is "You get what you pay for".
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  21. alltherage

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    it's an unfinished basement but the walls are superior walls with 1" insulation. The ceiling is insulated too. I know it takes a ton of heat to get it warm. We put the stove down there to use once in a while in a section of the basement that we have isolated. It was more of a long term vision putting the stove down there and finishing it off. At this point, I'm strictly talking about the perceived temp coming out of the stove vs. what I felt today at the stove shop and my neighbor's stove.
  22. DexterDay

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    Have you measured your air temp on 9-9 and measured another stove with similar sized convection blower rate?
  23. slvrblkk

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    I gotcha.....why don't you just try taking a reading with a thermometer and see what it actually is?
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    So if that is the case. With a pellet stove you would make up the difference with less pellets used to make the same amount or more heat. Right?
  25. alltherage

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    i have both stoves going right now...i'll put 'em on 9-9 , let 'em warm up and try it....
    I changed the cpm to 3-6-1 and I've been running the pdvc at 4-4-1....be back in a bit with the numbers....

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