Cylinder size too big for the pump they're running. See my post #14, above.I wonder what components would be slowing it down?
I think tomorrow I'm going to head to Lowes and pick up the DHT25 for $999. Also have a 10% off coupon, so good time to use it.
Next stop will be hounding the wood stackers on their storage methods. Might have to get out the saws and build me a little something
Great choice.... you cant go wrong with the 22 ton DHT.. i have the log cradle on both of mine and i have the 4 way wedge on the 22 ton.. makes quick work of the wood
I see you keep mentioning the 22-ton along with many others. A few references to the 27-ton too.
This one is a 25-ton however. Know much about this model? Hopefully it's not one of those "big box specials" that Tocramed mentioned before, where an item is made cheaper specifically to be more marketable at a big box store. Not hearing others mention this 25-ton version is a bit curious to me!
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Dirty-Hand-Tools-25-Ton-Gas-Log-Splitter/1000246151
Cylinder size too big for the pump they're running. See my post #14, above.
Not hearing others mention this 25-ton version is a bit curious to me!
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Dirty-Hand-Tools-25-Ton-Gas-Log-Splitter/1000246151
I see you keep mentioning the 22-ton along with many others. A few references to the 27-ton too.
This one is a 25-ton however. Know much about this model? Hopefully it's not one of those "big box specials" that Tocramed mentioned before, where an item is made cheaper specifically to be more marketable at a big box store. Not hearing others mention this 25-ton version is a bit curious to me!
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Dirty-Hand-Tools-25-Ton-Gas-Log-Splitter/1000246151
If they have the same engine, I'd buy the 22-ton, and swap the 13 GPM pump up to a 16 GPM. Note, you need a 300 cc motor to effectively drive a 16 GPM pump. Pumps are cheaper and easier to swap than cylinders.It wasn't an option 2 years ago when I researched DHT splitters. The specs say it has the same engine, a 15gpm pump (vs 13) and a slightly larger cylinder (4.33" x 24" vs 4" x 24") than the 22, making it just slightly slower.
If I could pick my own parts there, I'd take the big pump and the small cylinder and have a fast 22, but that's not a menu option. If I had to pick between the 22 and 25 right now, I'd lean slightly towards the 22, but it wouldn't be a strong preference. 25 has a little more oomph, 22 is a tiny bit faster.
Based on how little my 22 struggles with full load, I imagine that putting a 12% bigger pump on it (which is what the 25 is) will be ok.
Brave 34 ton with Honda 9 hp,10 years old has split hundreds of cords ,nothing yet it can't handle. Cycles plenty fast for me.Replaced hand valve last year Brave shipped the part the next day.I run only Amsoil synthetic oil in it and change after 40 hrs splitting.Change hydraulic oil filter once a year ,runs like new.Best thing about this splitter no matter the temp one pull starts.For my money, I would rule the Troy-bilt out. Slower cycle time. Smaller engine (even though it's a Honda). I would probably bite on the. Champion before the Dirty Hands. It's got the log catcher/cradle which is a nice plus. The engine is described as OEM branded. Not sure exactly what that means, but all these engines are made in china now days anyway, so I'm not sure it really matters. Best of luck.
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I've never seen a 15 GPM pump... that's an odd-ball, in the hydro pump world. I almost wonder if they're over-rev'ing a smaller pump, and stamping their own rating on it.
edit: nevermind! I see it has a little 196cc motor. No way you're going to be happy with that little thing driving much more than 11 - 13 GPM. It's just too small for the job. And before you ask, yes... I have PERSONALLY tried running a 16 GPM pump on a 190cc engine.
Field reports from those with only one splitter, and no perspective for comparison to something better, don't count.Either way, hopefully we'll get a field report on how well the 25 works here.
Field reports from those with only one splitter, and no perspective for comparison to something better, don't count.
The only way a 190cc engine (Kohler, Honda, or lowly Briggs) can spin a 15 GPM pump is if that pump is tripping into low-speed at a fairly low pressure set point. Meaning, that splitter might have a half respectible unloaded cycle time, but is going to be stupid slow as soon as you put the wedge to wood.
Remember, all of these hydro pumps are dual stage, with two parallel circuits. The higher flow circuit goes into bypass at a pre-set pressure point, leaving only the lower flow circuit operating. The only way to extend the capacity of a motor that small up into 15 GPM land, is to lower that trip point. A typical 16 GPM pump drops to 5 GPM, as soon as you hit the bypass pressure, and that's got to be where any splitter pushing 15 GPM on 190cc is going to run a large fraction of the time.
As Ashful has stated, it's all relative. Best I can do is shoot a video and let the experienced assess from the specs combined with the visual information I can provide.
I couldn't help but read it as "experienced asses", the first time through. ;-)
I ran my splitter with a 16 GPM pump on a 190cc engine once, as I received the pump a few weeks before the larger engine arrived. It was painful, but I may be less patient than most.
You've been paying attention!
Did I tell you I do light limbing work with an 064 AV?
The 064 AV is 85cc.My "big" saw is a 64cc....
True. My 190cc engine was a flat head, and I think that Kohler is OHV, so there will be some difference in HP. Likely not enough to make up for the extra 100cc normally recommended to drive a 16 GPM pump, but definitely better than what I had, at the time.What was the power output of that 196cc engine? The dht-22 has a 6.5HP@3600 Kohler... not all 196cc engines make that much power.
Actually, it's probably a decent match to a 13 GPM pump. Remember I was stating it would not be enough for 15 - 16 GPM, refuting my own initial recommendation to upgrade the slower machine to that larger pump.My 13gpm pump doesn't seem to tax the Kohler overly, though I didn't even know the pump had a high speed and a low speed.
There's no replacement for displacement.If the 15gpm pump makes the Kohler struggle, maybe it's close enough that you can make up the difference with exhaust/intake mods and carb twiddles.
There's no replacement for displacement.
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