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  1. jjs777_fzr Feeling the Heat

    joined: Nov 9, 2007
    297 posts
    NorthShore, MA USA
    Welcome to the forum - and yes this is the place to be!
    Yep - the baby, mamma and papa bear stoves had single doors so easy to tell apart from the double door models. Good luck with the baffle install and be sure to post pics if possible before/after.
    So I'm confused does your stove already have the round baffle just below the exit flu or no ? I understand certain stoves had that as original to the stove and others did not. I can't recall if anyone with top exit is running both the round baffle just below the exit together with a smoke shelf 'baffle' horizontal from side to side. If it were me I'd probably try both!
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  2. coaly Fisher Moderator

    joined: Dec 22, 2007
    1,028 posts
    NE PA
    Welcome to the Forum Tom;

    Yes, you have a Grandma there. Measurements for the box are correct, your height is 3 inches higher than normal. Possibly longer legs?

    3/8" shouldn't warp like this 5/16 factory baffle in an XL;
    XL in Kanab Utah ebay 2.jpg

    This is far wider than your Grandma. Goldilocks is the same width, and the 5/16 factory baffle stayed straight.

    Notice the factory smoke shelf has 2" X 3" notches in the front corners. Not sure of the purpose, but it would allow more heat to the top at the sides, as far as possible from the vent. This was designed during smoke reduction testing, so it must be beneficial. The Goldilocks plate is the same design.
    By putting a bend in the plate at the rear and front edge, (so the front and back edge is horizontal) about 1 1/2 inch from the edge, may keep it straight. Probably have to take it to a fabricator with a large enough brake.

    The round baffle plate was only in the Honey Bear. That model is about half the size of a Grandma, so a smoke shelf baffle would have taken too much room in the firebox. It's more of a diverter than a baffle.

    Here's my latest baffle for a Mama Bear that the owner was rough loading and kept knocking the support bricks out from under it. This 5/16 plate has been in use a season and a half with no warpage.
    1 1/2" angle iron welded to the sides will prevent the upright bricks from falling into the fire. I never knocked mine down, but some people aren't careful loading; (Baffle is shown upside down on flat stove top, angle iron is at baffle front edge)

    MB Baffle 1.JPG MB Baffle 2.JPG

    MB Baffle 3.JPG MB Baffle 4.JPG
    If only the stoves had welds that look like that..........
  3. Dave USCG Member

    joined: Nov 14, 2012
    202 posts
    Cape May, NJ
    Welcome Tom,
    I'm fairly new also to the forum, you'll get some "GREAT" information here. I am currently working on a baby bear doing the excact same thing, Coaly has been extremely helpful and full of Fisher wisdom:cool:. Just yesterday I removed my old fire brick, while your stove is down or the brick is in bad shape it's cheap enough to put fresh brick in "and worth it". "Be for warned", have a jackhammer, hand grenade, and large box of bandaids when and if you start the process. my bricks seemed to have welded themselves together and to the sides of the stove. I had to break most of them out with a pry bar and hammer. My baby bear will require a little different application for the baffle that Coaly has been helping me out with, smaller inside. When I'm done I'll get some pictures out, I'm not super computer savvy so I'll get the wife to help out.
    Welcome again Tom, this is a great place to learn.

    Dave
  4. Mo Par New Member

    Welcome Tom

    You can't go wrong with a Fisher. A baffle will put more heat in the room. Since adding a baffle to mine it really throws the heat. As a matter of fact I just checked it, the stack is 290::F degrees the lower step on the top's 620::F . Nice and toasty.
  5. mark cline New Member

    joined: Dec 20, 2012
    5 posts
    Orchard Park, NY
    I have, I think a Grandma Bear stove like yours but my width of the top plate is 27 1/2". All other measurements are the same minus the ball feet. I bought my stove new in 1982, it was a left over for a few years and I only paid $350 for it . I won't give it up for nothing. It will be going with me ,into to my 2100 sq ft loghome when its closed in this summer. ;)
  6. mark cline New Member

    joined: Dec 20, 2012
    5 posts
    Orchard Park, NY
    I like your pictures of the baffle and want to put this 2 piece design in my stove , but I won't weld the 2 pieces together so that I can slide the opening larger or smaller to be able to experiment with the opening. Just curious what the top plate width is on your stove. Mine is a Grandma Bear I believe , with the top plate width of 27 1/2 ". I bought my stove at a stove shop in Buffalo ,NY, so I think they were most likely made in the same shop. I bought it new but did not get any info with it . I have never found a serial # or identifying marks on it.
  7. Jack Fate Feeling the Heat

    joined: Jan 17, 2013
    265 posts
    Northwest Ohio
    Hi out there looking for some fabrication ideas on a grandpa with rear exit flue. I'm seeing everything but ,then again I can be blind at times ( just ask my wife) we are talking baffle here .
  8. coaly Fisher Moderator

    joined: Dec 22, 2007
    1,028 posts
    NE PA
    If you draw with chalk on the side of the stove, start with a line from the rear just below the outlet pipe. (or from the top of firebrick if there is only one course to set it on. I measure it inside, and transpose the line to the outside so you can get a good idea of plate size. Width is about 1/2" narrower than stove to be able to get it in and out. This can vary with stoves) Angle the line upwards towards the top bend. Smoke space square inch area at top edge of plate varies with draft. Just don't make it smaller than the cross sectional area of the outlet. (50 sq in.) 2 to 3" below the top is fine. The factory original on later stoves was about half that size, since they didn't know how well of a drafting chimney some customers would have.

    Here's a pic inside an XL rear vent that shows the plate angle; This was the shape of factory baffle sitting on angle iron. If you bolt or weld short pieces of angle iron on the plate sides, near front, you can stand bricks upright to set the plate on without fear of the larger plate and bricks falling in. I don't have a pic of one inside a Grandpa.

    XL in Kanab Utah ebay 2.jpg

    MB Baffle 3.JPG MB Baffle 4.JPG
  9. Jack Fate Feeling the Heat

    joined: Jan 17, 2013
    265 posts
    Northwest Ohio

    Ok so I did some measurements got 27" interior width so 26 1/2" and measures 16" to the bend at the top from the top of brick supports so 26 1/2' x 12" would give me a 4" gap to the bend maybe a bit less than that that sound reasonable ? 5/16 or 3/8" ?
    I see top photo ok but the lower pic I don't get ,are they shown upside down ? don"t understand how it is held at the proper angle. I suppose I can just ad-lib here .but I'd sort of like to understand how that plate with the welded tabs can set at the 45 degre angle that is shown in the XL pic at top. Seems to me thats for a top flue shelf plate baffle 2 fire bricks high ? I understand the baffle at the bottom is not for a granpa stove .
    I'm thinking a support from brick tab to baffle

    PUZZLED
  10. coaly Fisher Moderator

    joined: Dec 22, 2007
    1,028 posts
    NE PA
    Yes, the flat plates are upside down to show the angle iron welded to the plate. It's 1 1/2" angle iron on 5/16 plate. 3/8 is better for your larger size, but factory used 5/16. (And warped in wider stoves as shown in XL photo) Plate size is fine, factory was only 8". But again they had to err on the small side in case of a poorly drafting chimney to avoid smoke roll in problems with doors open.

    If you have one course of bricks around bottom of stove, stand a brick on each side on top of the first row to raise the front edge of plate. I wedge a piece of wood across the two bricks to hold them tight to the stove sides while I set the baffle on top. Angle baffle through door, and set plate level on top of bricks. Then slide it towards the back letting the back drop onto the rear brick ledge. Remove wood wedge holding bricks tight, and you can slide the bricks fore and aft to change the plate angle.
    It should sit on the bricks as shown; (no angle iron on plate in photo)
    Brown Mama Bear Baffle 4.JPG

    The baffle plate shown rests on a welded tab under the outlet in this Mama Bear. If you don't have anything in your stove to set it on, use the top of the bricks. If you feel this is too low and takes away from loading area, set one brick sideways across the back in center to raise the plate just under the outlet. They cut clean and easy when scored with masonry blade in circular saw.
  11. Jack Fate Feeling the Heat

    joined: Jan 17, 2013
    265 posts
    Northwest Ohio
    Think I'm going to bolt baffle to the angle iron firebrick supports with some flat stock & slot flat stock for adjustability . Don't need to weld then but do have to drill fire brick supports & baffle plate. Welding is a hassle but not impossiable for me
    Thanks Coaly

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