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Thought I had the PS-35 figured out

Post in 'The Pellet Mill - Pellet and Multifuel Stoves' started by samdweezel05, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. DexterDay

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    This is not to say our pots have the exact same # of holes. But the bottom 8 holes (4 front and 4 back) are common on ALL Quad/Heatilators. Should have clarified that above.

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  2. SmokeyTheBear

    SmokeyTheBear Minister of Fire

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    Now you have two ordained ministers of the church of the immaculate pellet stove looking over your shoulder, man are you in trouble.

    Watch this turn out to be a failing combustion blower :p .
  3. samdweezel05

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    Rod has been hard to pull and push right out of the box. Nothing has changed since it has been in service. The ash sits around the pot nice and even, no gaps or signs of air moving the ash away from the pot. Never thought of that to check the pot gasket so I am going to guess that it's just fine. I do like the leaf blower test and it gives me an excuse to start collecting leaf blowers AND chainsaws.
  4. DexterDay

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    I'm ALL about Chainsaws...

    If its always been hard, then maybe it could stand to be loosen. Mine pulls like butter, has a small gap (shouldn't be able to fit a dime in it), and i still Dont use it ;)

    I would definitely look into the leafblower. For less than $50 and your in there. Best cleaning tool around.

    Best to buy an electric model and make sure it has the vacuum option. Add a 3" or 4" piece of PVC (a reducer works nice/measure your vent and head to the Store) :)

    I complimented you on your 441 in the Wood thread you started. My 460 is a Monster!!!
  5. samdweezel05

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    That's actually just a little 440. The 075 is in my Avatar. What I am going to do is take detailed pictures of my cleaning procedure this Sunday and post it up when I am done. Flame is now lazy and climbing on medium as well so it's only getting worse.
  6. DexterDay

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    Sounds like its plugged (clean-out T, termination cap, etc). When was the last time you removed the.combustion blower and cleaned the vanes?

    I oil the motors on my Quad, even though they dont require it. A little 3-N-1 Oil (Blue bottle/SAE 20) on the visible bearings cant hurt. Some has to get sucked in.
  7. samdweezel05

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    Stove was installed new last December (2011) and has only seen a bit over 2 tons of pellets total. I have never pulled out the combustion blower.
  8. SmokeyTheBear

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    It is past time to do that.
  9. samdweezel05

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    All things that are not known by the typical homeowner.
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  10. DexterDay

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    2 ton is a pretty significant amount. Although some can and will go longer. You are experiencing some problems, so it is best to Check everthing?

    Have or can you post a video on YouTube? Seeing the flame could maybe tell a story?

    Your airwash is on the bottom of the glass. You could (As A TEST!) place a small strip or two of aluminium foil or flat gasket material in the gap? Maybe 2"-3" on each side (if glass is 16" wide? The you would have 10" in the center of airwash and 3" on each end blocked). This will allow more air into the pot and tell us if you have a "Leak" or a "Clog".

    With an airleak, you will likely see an improvement in burn. A Clog (downstream) will not be affected much by this.

    Just as a test. Remove the strips after a good hour burn. I would not block more than 40%-50% as this air also cools the glass. You still need some airwash. But just blocking that little bit will show you.

    I had a bad door gasket a couple years ago. And I blocked a little of my Front Main glass (3" on each side). This showed me I had a leak. Then I tested the door gasket and found the top to be unsatisfactory.
  11. SmokeyTheBear

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    Part of the things not known by the typical homeowner is that a normal pellet stove year is not 24/7 for the entire heating season, which is how they wind up be run by a lot of us.

    This means that stuff that says annual in the manual needs to be done more frequently than that. Like a good deep clean every ton or so and this includes all of the annual checks and cleanings on the list.

    Some stoves can go longer but most suffer a degradation in their burns and heat output.
  12. samdweezel05

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    Pictures of today's cleaning. I never thought to do before pictures. I also think I cured my problem.

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    The horizontal pipe that goes through the wall of the house gets cleaned about once a month. I guess it was the one thing that I forgot to do this spring when I cleaned the stove out after the heating season was finished. It was about 1/3 full of fine ash right after the 90 before it goes outside. The feed gate is now back open to were it has always been and the flame acts like it always has. Only issue to figure out now is why it is still randomly shutting off before desired room temp is met or even sometimes not even starting after the T-stat calls for head. It has done that since the second day it was in operation.
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    Dont think your stove has an airwash system,our PS50 doesnt,gasket goes all the way around the door.....
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    I ditched the t-stat that came with our ps 50. Something else that caused a similar problem is the heat sensor (I think that's what it's called). That little piece sticking over the burn pot on the right side. Take the (I think) 3/8" bolt and clamp off. Clean the tube, inside and out, clean the wires, and re install.
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    X2 that is the thermocouple inside a ceramic sleeve.....had an issue with ours and loosened the bolt holding the creamic cover,removed ceramic cover,tapped in into my palm and got the ash out of it.....vacuumed around the thermocouple....then replaced the ceramic cover --making sure that the cover is pushed on as far as it will go,insuring it makes contact with the end of the thermocouple wire{ceramic cover wont push on any farther}....For Smokey The Bears benefit,please do this with a cold stove........;)
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    Yup the gasket goes all the way around the door. As for the t-stat, it's a cheap POS and as soon as the dealer has more of the digital ones in stock I will pick one up. I will also check the thermocoupler as well. Thanks for the help guys.
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    There are generally two sets of gaskets on the door the one that goes all the way around and then the one that holds the glass in the door. Air washes are normally in the one that holds the glass in the door.

    Usually the bottom of the glass has some of the gasket material missing this is the air wash. An occasional stove has this in the top portion, usually these stoves have poor air wash action. Some stoves tried both top and bottom air washes only to discover that it didn't work all that well because it caused issues with the combustion blowers.

    Air washes have to be accounted for in the combustion blower sizing.
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    Hey you mean a little elbow grease in the cleaning department helped, who would have thunk that.
  21. DexterDay

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    Any decent stat will work. Lux makes the 500 and 1500 that do very well with pellet stoves. Hunter and Honeywell make a few also :) Will save you a few bucks by not going to the dealer. A Lux 1500 (programmable) is less than $30.
  22. samdweezel05

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    In my defense, I do clean this stove every week like clock work. Except for the pipe outside the house (cleaned once a month), it is cleaned like that every Sunday. It is my mistake for thinking that I had cleaned the entire pipe in the spring. This is where you say "I told you so" and when I drop my head, turn around, and mumble under my breath "I hate that guy". I do thank you and Mr. Dexter, and all others involved, for helping me figure this out. The dealer is going to give me a new digital thermostat to replace this junk unit supplied with my stove.
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    Well you understand that we get told many a time that things were cleaned so much that you would want to eat out of the exhaust passages, we have a few options we can really beat on the cleaning issue, we can say ok and let you get really frustrated perhaps some lucky second hand stove buyer gets a good deal out of it, or we can just let you lead yourself to it.

    There is still a thread on here where the OP swears his stove is the cleanest in the world, so I'm just going along with him.

    You at least admitted it and will likely from this day forward have a clean stove.

    We can never stress the importance of a clean stove too much, a clean stove is a happy, safe, and warm stove, and so is its owner.
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  24. DexterDay

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    Smokey said it best.... Keep them clean :)

    Just glad it running well for you
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    What number is yer control box set to?

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