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peakbagger said:
The cynic in me is starting to rear its head. Looks like its within a couple of weeks of a matter of writing the right check to the right doctor to get a quick test $138 dollars a pop on line in a week or two and then a round of a treatment drug,hydroxychloroquine. You and I will not be able to get it but I expect no doubt someone with a private doctor and premium insurance just needs to make the call to a colleague in Africa to get a treatment round sent over (screw the FDA compassionate drug routine). Sure it will still blow up in the US once the colege kids come back from spring break as carriers and will ripple through the rest of society and the poor parts of the world for months or years but as long as the important people know they dont really have to worry about it, they can start to make the plans on how to ultimately profit in private while expressing sympathy for the sick common folks. No doubt both political parties are now running what strategies will work the best with respect to the November elections.
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That is the sad reality with your system, if you've got the cash, someone will give you the cure. But, even with lots of cash, your sociopathic government acting like Martin Shkreli can't buy exclusivity.
 
black smoke signals said:
Anyone hear about any bank runs in your area? How is one to go to a grocery store (like Washington State) and get food and feel safe? This state is by far hardest hit state hopefully this will all pass before winter
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If you look a little crazy, like I do, you can carry cash and be pretty sure that no one will think about messing with you. ;lol
 
Woody Stover said:
If you look a little crazy, like I do, you can carry cash and be pretty sure that no one will think about messing with you. ;lol
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Lot of shops here aren't even taking cash, don't want to touch it- literally.
 
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PA just closed. Yes, pretty much the whole state. Governor is closing all "non-life-sustaining businesses" at 8pm tonight.

Time to move to ND or WV!
 
Good idea let’s invent money laundering I will buy a new washer and put it in my front yard with a yard sign that says ____________
 
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AlbergSteve said:
That is the sad reality with your system, if you've got the cash, someone will give you the cure. But, even with lots of cash, your sociopathic government acting like Martin Shkreli can't buy exclusivity.
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Can you get premium treatment with your system with extra cash? My wife works in, and is well connected in the medical field and cash and good insurance will not buy her premium treatment. Stop trying to start an us vs them class warfare type of mentality. We are all in the same boat, all need food, and there is none. Many need healthcare, but the beds are filling up, this virus does not discriminate between rich and poor. I just saw on the news that a Dr. in Italy died because he refused to take an ICU bed away from a patient, even though he was next in line.
 
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Some food prices spiking up , local markets getting brisk business. Many local business,s shutting down. State UC checks should be good for 6 months or more. They usually extend that if needed. This week there were more than 11,238 confirmed cases in the US, up from about 1,600 a week earlier. Looks like testing is getting off the ground.
 
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Supermarkets are opening early for senior-only shopping. My price Chopper opens 6 AM - 7 AM for seniors. Setting the alarm for 5:45.

I usually do some grocery shopping n Friday after 7:30 AM coffee at Panera with the old guys from my wife's former church. Can't sit in Panera now, so I'll just get up early and go to Price Chopper.

Sodbuster said:
… LOL, not likely, although given the choices we've had lately on BOTH sides, I'm inclined to vote none of the above …
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Yup! I turned 18 in 1976. 2016 was the first year I didn't vote for a presidential candidate. That was the best this country could do? Neither deserved my vote.

I'm a Republican in MA, so my vote is pretty meaningless anyway. :)
 
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Sodbuster said:
Stop trying to start an us vs them class warfare type of mentality. We are all in the same boat, all need food...virus does not discriminate between rich and poor. I just saw on the news that a Dr. in Italy died because he refused to take an ICU bed away from a patient, even though he was next in line.
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The way I see it, throughout history it's always been "them or us." People whose personalities motivate them to seek power and control will put a lot of effort into acquiring the tools to have those, the main tools being money or resources. Unlike the good doctor, who might have different motivations, I don't expect most of those personality types to be willing to offer up their lives to help a fellow being. Heck, a lot of the rich bass turds scarcely make any charitable donations compared to those of average means, even though they control most of the wealth.
Seasoned Oak said:
Some food prices spiking up , local markets getting brisk business. Many local business,s shutting down.
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Once the po' folks run out of cash, there will be plenty of food for everybody else. ;)
 
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It pretty easy to clean surfaces and bills with a UVC lamp. Due to past concerns with TB, or viruses or bacteria being introduced or recirculated in public buildings, many HVAC systems already have UV banks in the ducts. The tubes do need to be changed on occasion as they do wear out. The down side with them are they have to be set up so they are shielded from sight as they can burn the corneas and cause something similar to weld flash. Early on in the epidemic I saw enterprising folks were building cell phone sterlizers and charging a bundle for them despite being just a reflective box with a couple of UVC LEDs.
 
Woody Stover said:
The way I see it, throughout history it's always been "them or us." People whose personalities motivate them to seek power and control will put a lot of effort into acquiring the tools to have those, the main tools being money or resources. Unlike the good doctor, who might have different motivations, I don't expect most of those personality types to be willing to offer up their lives to help a fellow being. Heck, a lot of the rich bass turds scarcely make any charitable donations compared to those of average means, even though they control most of the wealth.

Once the po' folks run out of cash, there will be plenty of food for everybody else. ;)
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Thanks Woody, the reason this raises my hackles is that my youngest daughter was exposed to a confirmed case of Covid-19 at work; today she spiked a temperature and had a cough and found it hard to breath. Our family Dr. sent her to get tested at a drive through testing station that had been set up at a local hospital. Even with our "good" insurance it will be 5 days before she finds out. My oldest daughter is a Pediatric Intensive Care Nurse and volunteered to help staff the RICU (Regional Infectious Containment Unit) which is where the Covid patients will be housed. My wife is also a nurse that works in close proximity to the airway during surgeries and is at risk for droplet and possible aerosolized Covid. Our stress levels are very high right now, which is why it does me good to just go out in the woods and cut wood, rather than sit around the house and worry.
 
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AlbergSteve said:
That is the sad reality with your system, if you've got the cash, someone will give you the cure. But, even with lots of cash, your sociopathic government acting like Martin Shkreli can't buy exclusivity.
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I'm afraid this will cause deaths. Locally our hospital staff at a major key hospital have been told to wear bandanas by the CDC due to a critical shortage. This is the hospital where my son's GF is fighting pneumonia. We can build and store thousands of unused tanks in the desert just to keep some pork flowing but we can't and haven't stocked the basics for a health emergency. Meanwhile, BYD, the world's largest electric car manufacturer, has converted a factory in China to make masks by the million. Europe is getting them but apparently American exceptionalism is keeping us from buying them stat. I am not a happy camper here.
 
Seasoned Oak said:
US running out of antibiotics and other life saving drugs.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-human-drug-shortage-food-drug-administration/

Cuz its always a good idea to outsource critical life saving supplies if its a quarter cheaper somewhere else.:mad:
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Supply chain disruptions are going to get worse. Don't get sick. We have become a nation of just in time supply chains with little fall-back plan for when there is a major disruption in the supply. I hope if there are any lessons learned they will be to strengthen community resilience by increasing more local supply.
 
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Seasoned Oak said:
US running out of antibiotics and other life saving drugs.
Cuz its always a good idea to outsource critical life saving supplies if its a quarter cheaper somewhere else.:mad:
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Remember back in 2000 when the enlightened globalists pushed for China to be given "Most Favored Nation Status".
Pretty much the same crew who put together NAFTA in '92. Yup, the R's wrote it and the D's carried it thru.
All cut from the same cloth.
 
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PaulOinMA said:
Supermarkets are opening early for senior-only shopping. My price Chopper opens 6 AM - 7 AM for seniors. Setting the alarm for 5:45.
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I usually do some grocery shopping n Friday after 7:30 AM coffee at Panera with the old guys from my wife's former church. Can't sit i
Panera now, so I'll just get up early and go to Price Chopper.



Yup! I turned 18 in 1976. 2016 was the first year I didn't vote for a presidential candidate. That was the best this country could do? Neither deserved my vote.

I'm a Republican in MA, so my vote is pretty meaningless anyway. :)
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CaptSpiff said:
enlightened globalists pushed for China to be given "Most Favored Nation Status".
Pretty much the same crew who put together NAFTA in '92. Yup, the R's wrote it and the D's carried it thru.
All cut from the same cloth.
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The corporations are globalists as well. They operate without much regard for national borders or the people of those nations; They are all about maximizing profits. Governments and politicians of the nations are just their puppets.
 
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CaptSpiff said:
Remember back in 2000 when the enlightened globalists pushed for China to be given "Most Favored Nation Status".
Pretty much the same crew who put together NAFTA in '92. Yup, the R's wrote it and the D's carried it thru.
All cut from the same cloth.
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This is not a new problem, but it is one that can be corrected. You are correct this started with NAFTA, and Ross Perot, as nutty as he sounded was right. If NAFTA was passed, we would hear a giant sucking sound as jobs and manufacturing left the US. If we are smart we will fix the problem, if not, we are doomed to repeat it. We should make all essential drugs and drug paraphernalia here in the US.
 
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Sodbuster said:
This is not a new problem, but it is one that can be corrected. You are correct this started with NAFTA, and Ross Perot, as nutty as he sounded was right. If NAFTA was passed, we would hear a giant sucking sound as jobs and manufacturing left the US. If we are smart we will fix the problem, if not, we are doomed to repeat it. We should make all essential drugs and drug paraphernalia here in the US.
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Tighter local supply chains are more resilient. There is power and value to local sourcing. Local supply chains are also effective steps toward decarbonization.
 
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New things unfolding daily. Some promising new drug treatments. The anti malaria drug looks interesting. Im betting they find a treatment soon ,not a cure like a corona vacination shot but a drug treatment. THe whole world is working on it.
 
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