2021/22 VC Owner thread

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RandyBoBandy

Minister of Fire
Feb 25, 2015
1,260
Whitmore lake, MI
What is the operating temp range of the cat? What do you do when it goes over the recommended high temp? Open the bypass?

I'm having my first real burn today and engaged the cat. The temp on the stove has been showing 450 most of the day.

It's in the 30s today but the house is 77. How do you all keep the stove at a lower temp so not to heat us out? Keep the primary air on low. Small incremental loads of wood? Don't engage the cat?
I like to keep the cat between 1200-1450. I have my alarm set to 1550. If you are hitting 1700 on the regular than you will be replacing a lot of cats. I think the coating on the cat starts to deteriorate around 1600. In this shoulder season weather smaller fires will keep the house tolerable. This in turn means you are splitting a lot kindling and starting a lot of fires, however, your glass will be cleaner and your flue cleaner as well. I do admit though that I will fill the stove half way and turn it way down once the cat is up to temp. This will give me enough coals for the evening fire. If it gets to hot in the house you can always open the windows and dump some heat.
 

RandyBoBandy

Minister of Fire
Feb 25, 2015
1,260
Whitmore lake, MI
Good advice!! I installed my probe on my brand new encore 4 days ago and even when I gently poked the probe through it made a chunk the size of a dime and thickness of 2 dimes (roughly) fall off the inside. No mention in the manual to be careful of this!!
Oops. Yes definitely use a light twisting motion with your fingers and drill the hole. It’s a 1/4” bit as well.
 

Jimmy C

Member
Jan 30, 2020
106
Guilford, CT
Update since sealing off the secondary air:

WOW. This is exactly what I needed. My cat temps peak around 1450 and are usually cruising around 1300 - 1350. I am also getting at least 2 hours more on each burn time. It seems like the coals last much longer for some reason. I have had a couple spikes where temp went up to around 1600, but hardly over. In the past, these spikes would likely show temps around 1750. What surprises me the most is how little I have had to change running the stove. I can still shut down primary just as quickly as before, it just has more effect on the cat temps. I was worried about stalling the cat by not leaving air open long enough but I have not had any sort of problems in this area.

Thanks for the help all.
 

Rusty18

Burning Hunk
Nov 3, 2018
101
Belpre oh
Update since sealing off the secondary air:
WOW. This is exactly what I needed. My cat temps peak around 1450 and are usually cruising around 1300 - 1350. I am also getting at least 2 hours more on each burn time. It seems like the coals last much longer for some reason. I have had a couple spikes where temp went up to around 1600, but hardly over. In the past, these spikes would likely show temps around 1750. What surprises me the most is how little I have had to change running the stove. I can still shut down primary just as quickly as before, it just has more effect on the cat temps. I was worried about stalling the cat by not leaving air open long enough but I have not had any sort of problems in this area.

Thanks for the help all.
The biggest difference I noticed (other than no nuclear cat) was outside. Still no smoke out the chimney but I can smell wood smoke smell when the wind is blowing right. Before there was no smell outside.
 

Jimmy C

Member
Jan 30, 2020
106
Guilford, CT
Update since sealing off the secondary air:

The biggest difference I noticed (other than no nuclear cat) was outside. Still no smoke out the chimney but I can smell wood smoke smell when the wind is blowing right. Before there was no smell outside.
Definitely agree with this. I even noticed more smoke than usual during some of the burns, but the cat is at temps around 1300. Not sure if this is a bad sign but if it keeps me from destroying the CAT, its definitely the better option.
 

56knoise

New Member
Nov 21, 2021
3
no
Blocking off the secondary air really helped, I cranked down on the pivot screw so it can't move and now I can now have flame in the firebox without the cat overheating. I noticed before I did this that I could hear air sucking around the metal flapper even when the automatic thermostat closed it. Before the stovetop would be in the low 300's with a cat temp like this:
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Reckless

Feeling the Heat
Jan 24, 2013
442
Orange county, NY
Blocking off the secondary air really helped, I cranked down on the pivot screw so it can't move and now I can now have flame in the firebox without the cat overheating. I noticed before I did this that I could hear air sucking around the metal flapper even when the automatic thermostat closed it. Before the stovetop would be in the low 300's with a cat temp like this:
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Which therm you using? Wife’s been complaining about seeing the AT100.
 

ThisWas

New Member
Nov 23, 2021
2
NH
I never ran my Resolute stove when my grandchildren came to visit, but now that they're older and more responsible I want to be able to have a fire and also provide a margin of safety, so I bought for my new Dauntless a pair of Pleasant Hearth Classic Fireplace Screens and a set of four Lift Off Detachable Stainless Steel Hinges to connect the two screens. This only protects against an accidental stumble - a determined child can still reach the hot stovepipe and stove top.

Of course this works only for a top-loading stove like the Dauntless. The stove controls are accessible inside the screens. I put the screens away when the little people go home.

P.S. When I bought the Dauntless I also bought an infrared thermometer gun which tells me that the old Rutland thermometer has outlived its useful life.

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SJSoz

New Member
Nov 26, 2021
1
Massachusetts
I'm hoping for some help with my VC Dauntless. I've had it for a little over a year and I've had many woodstoves before this one but I just can't seem to get it running right. Despite almost closing off the air intake the stove always seems to get into a state of overfiring +650 degrees. Even with the air intake almost off and the damper closed the stove still runs too hot. In addition no matter how I set the air the front glass is completely black after only a few hours. And it is almost impossible to clean. I have good quality kiln dried wood. I watch the stove for at least the first hour trying to keep the heat down to 500-600. But whatever I do it ends up over-firing. I cannot figure out what is going on. Any ideas? Thanks!
 

RandyBoBandy

Minister of Fire
Feb 25, 2015
1,260
Whitmore lake, MI
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So this will be my public service announcement for the day. If you let the wires touch at the connector that will be your new reference point, not the probe under the cat. <>
I though I had major cat problems but it was just an issue with twisted wire.
Correct. You will get all sort of funky readings if the wires are touching or not tight in the connector.
 

bert670

New Member
Mar 19, 2021
20
Hudson Valley, NY
I never ran my Resolute stove when my grandchildren came to visit, but now that they're older and more responsible I want to be able to have a fire and also provide a margin of safety, so I bought for my new Dauntless a pair of Pleasant Hearth Classic Fireplace Screens and a set of four Lift Off Detachable Stainless Steel Hinges to connect the two screens. This only protects against an accidental stumble - a determined child can still reach the hot stovepipe and stove top.

Of course this works only for a top-loading stove like the Dauntless. The stove controls are accessible inside the screens. I put the screens away when the little people go home.

P.S. When I bought the Dauntless I also bought an infrared thermometer gun which tells me that the old Rutland thermometer has outlived its useful life.

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Can you post a link to the screens? I'm having a Dauntless installed in my living room and that looks like a good set up to keep my 18 mo old son away.
 

ajayabb

Member
Dec 10, 2017
87
Moorestown
I'm hoping for some help with my VC Dauntless. I've had it for a little over a year and I've had many woodstoves before this one but I just can't seem to get it running right. Despite almost closing off the air intake the stove always seems to get into a state of overfiring +650 degrees. Even with the air intake almost off and the damper closed the stove still runs too hot. In addition no matter how I set the air the front glass is completely black after only a few hours. And it is almost impossible to clean. I have good quality kiln dried wood. I watch the stove for at least the first hour trying to keep the heat down to 500-600. But whatever I do it ends up over-firing. I cannot figure out what is going on. Any ideas? Thanks!
You must have an air leak somewhere. Now the tough part is trying to locate it. I would start with making sure the gaskets are all in good shape. You can do the dollar bill test to help check your gasket seals.
 

ThisWas

New Member
Nov 23, 2021
2
NH
Can you post a link to the screens? I'm having a Dauntless installed in my living room and that looks like a good set up to keep my 18 mo old son away.
I had a bad experience 30+ years ago with a child the age of your son who crawled behind my single fireplace screen, which is why I wanted a double screen for my new stove. My daughter touched the stove with one finger only, and her finger healed quickly - I was lucky.
I worry that your 18-month-old may be too young and too fast to be near a hot stove; my grandchildren are now 3-5 years old and can follow instructions.
You may want a bigger screen mounted securely to the wall... my fasteners weren't as secure as I thought, 30 years ago.

Pleasant Hearth Classic Fireplace Screen, Black
Amazon product (as of now you need to click on a link to buy from vendors other than Amazon)

LC LICTOP 2.5 inch 3 Hole Flag Hinge Lift Off Detachable Stainless Steel Hinges 4 Pcs
Amazon productThe screws supplied were too long; I went to my local hardware store and bought 24 flat-head sheet metal screws, 3/8" long.

I marked hinge positions on each screen with a pencil and used a metal punch to dimple the metal before drilling.
If you go with a lift-off hinge you want to make sure one screen gets all the hinge halves with pins facing up so that the other screen can be dropped onto it.
 

bert670

New Member
Mar 19, 2021
20
Hudson Valley, NY
Thanks, the primary issue with a direct wall mount screen is that I have a 6" high by 4" deep sill behind where the stove will be. I was thinking about bringing a screen to a welding shop and having them cut something out to my dimensions so I can secure it around the sill. Appreciate your input.

How are you liking the Dauntless?
 

Jmorg

New Member
Feb 26, 2021
38
Virginia
I'm hoping for some help with my VC Dauntless. I've had it for a little over a year and I've had many woodstoves before this one but I just can't seem to get it running right. Despite almost closing off the air intake the stove always seems to get into a state of overfiring +650 degrees. Even with the air intake almost off and the damper closed the stove still runs too hot. In addition no matter how I set the air the front glass is completely black after only a few hours. And it is almost impossible to clean. I have good quality kiln dried wood. I watch the stove for at least the first hour trying to keep the heat down to 500-600. But whatever I do it ends up over-firing. I cannot figure out what is going on. Any ideas? Thanks!
I have a Dauntless…I have not had issues with overfiring, but the glass does seem to get dirty easily. Maybe check the ash pan door and make sure it’s got a good seal. That seems to be an issue with this particular stove. Hopefully it’s just a simple fix…try lighting a lighter and running the flame along all the doors to see if your gaskets are tight. If there’s a leak it will suck the flame in. Good luck!
 

56knoise

New Member
Nov 21, 2021
3
no
Which therm you using? Wife’s been complaining about seeing the AT100.
I built it myself with an ESP32 microcontroller and four MAX31855 thermocouple amplifiers with thermocouples from auber. I couldn't find anybody selling what I wanted. It connects to my wifi so I can remotely check on the temperatures on a computer or my phone while I'm away and graphs everything. The button at the bottom silences the alarms for 20 seconds and the display blinks to show which probe is overtemperature. I don't have a fourth thermocouple hooked up to it right now so I just made it display 'wood'. I was thinking of changing it so it scrolls 'feed me' or something when the temperature drops.
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Jimmy C

Member
Jan 30, 2020
106
Guilford, CT
I built it myself with an ESP32 microcontroller and four MAX31855 thermocouple amplifiers with thermocouples from auber. I couldn't find anybody selling what I wanted. It connects to my wifi so I can remotely check on the temperatures on a computer or my phone while I'm away and graphs everything. The button at the bottom silences the alarms for 20 seconds and the display blinks to show which probe is overtemperature. I don't have a fourth thermocouple hooked up to it right now so I just made it display 'wood'. I was thinking of changing it so it scrolls 'feed me' or something when the temperature drops.
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You should sell these